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Hope Valley FAQ 06/03/2025 at 18:19 #160359
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6411 posts 		Hope Valley Frequently Asked Questions

Do you think you've found a bug? Or do you have a problem running the simulation, check through this thread first.

Remember timetables are dealt with in the relevant timetable thread.

Please read the following information:-

If you own Peak District(Limited time offer):

Enter the code HIGHHOPES at checkout to receive a discount.
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Hope Valley FAQ 06/03/2025 at 19:11 #160365
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730 posts 		Why is the product page photo an image of what looks like an Amtrak dining car?
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Hope Valley FAQ 06/03/2025 at 19:15 #160366
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1082 posts 		Splodge in post 160365 said:
Why is the product page photo an image of what looks like an Amtrak dining car?
Just wetting peoples appetite of course ;-)
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Hope Valley FAQ 06/03/2025 at 19:17 #160367
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6411 posts 		Splodge in post 160365 said:
Why is the product page photo an image of what looks like an Amtrak dining car?
Clearly it's the Fernlee reservoir and not the Pacific Ocean (cough)
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Hope Valley FAQ 06/03/2025 at 20:17 #160370
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1223 posts 		Peak Forest Down Sidings Lever Frame seems to throw up a 'Unable to load picture' when you click 'Ok' it does bring up the lever frame. Apart from that I'm very much enjoying this so far already in pickle with delay/failures on all while holding my little one!.
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Hope Valley FAQ 06/03/2025 at 20:48 #160372
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931 posts 		It looks like the ground frame diagram somehow got missed with the sim earlier. This should now be available

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Hope Valley FAQ 07/03/2025 at 12:15 #160389
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283 posts 		I'm so happy I had a few years of living in Bamford and I've waited years to finally see it on SimSig.
The railways around this part of the country have an interesting history.

Also interesting to see a new type of signal
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Hope Valley FAQ 07/03/2025 at 14:18 #160393
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730 posts 		Fairly sure Crewe has a few of those? New way of indicating a distant
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Hope Valley FAQ 07/03/2025 at 14:56 #160394
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283 posts 		Splodge in post 160393 said:
Fairly sure Crewe has a few of those? New way of indicating a distant
I don't think I've played Crewe - interesting though.

On that note, in Hope Valley, are HG30 and NS143 missing their auto markings?

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Hope Valley FAQ 07/03/2025 at 15:27 #160396
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3734 posts 		MrSuttonmann in post 160394 said:
Splodge in post 160393 said:
Fairly sure Crewe has a few of those? New way of indicating a distant
I don't think I've played Crewe - interesting though.

On that note, in Hope Valley, are HG30 and NS143 missing their auto markings?

I suspect they aren't auto plated as they protect a tunnel? 143 is plated controlled. I've just checked on a cabride video - although it is in advance of Newtown Viaduct not in rear as shown on the sim. not sure what the box diagram shows.
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Hope Valley FAQ 07/03/2025 at 17:47 #160401
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931 posts 		jc92 in post 160396 said:
MrSuttonmann in post 160394 said:
Splodge in post 160393 said:
Fairly sure Crewe has a few of those? New way of indicating a distant
I don't think I've played Crewe - interesting though.

On that note, in Hope Valley, are HG30 and NS143 missing their auto markings?

I suspect they aren't auto plated as they protect a tunnel? 143 is plated controlled. I've just checked on a cabride video - although it is in advance of Newtown Viaduct not in rear as shown on the sim. not sure what the box diagram shows.
The box diagram is the opposite of how they're plated on the ground. Both Hazel Grove and New Mills South have the auto plate on their diagram, but I believe that the auto plate was removed from the signal at some point

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Hope Valley FAQ 08/03/2025 at 20:38 #160429
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333 posts 		Automatic signals are no longer plated for new installations, since the rule allowing drivers to pass them under their own authority if unable to contact the signaller was withdrawn. NR are slowly removing them from the network when renewals occur, and they're now often not shown on new panel/control system screens, even if they're still plated as such on the signal.
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Hope Valley FAQ 09/03/2025 at 19:50 #160439
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463 posts 		I think 'Edgley' is a typo?
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Hope Valley FAQ 09/03/2025 at 20:36 #160440
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931 posts 		peterb in post 160439 said:
I think 'Edgley' is a typo?

Agreed, logged as Mantis 41963

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Hope Valley FAQ 11/03/2025 at 11:14 #160470
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261 posts 		Able to clear signals BN47 & BN44 onto Briggs line without token. Mantis 41968 (ref to 10420).
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Hope Valley FAQ 12/03/2025 at 05:22 #160490
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160 posts 		Why can't I route BL01 into the Cement Works? It says "Route Not Available".

I did have to delay BL01 entering the sim for a while due to a TCF. I wonder if it a subsequent BL01 entered before the previous BL01 or something?
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Hope Valley FAQ 12/03/2025 at 05:54 #160491
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160 posts 		I don't understand what I did wrong here. Permission received and slot granted about 3 minutes before I routed into Quarry Rec.
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Hope Valley FAQ 12/03/2025 at 06:26 #160492
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4028 posts 		TylerE in post 160491 said:
I don't understand what I did wrong here. Permission received and slot granted about 3 minutes before I routed into Quarry Rec.

The permission was for the Loading Line (the lower of the two), not the Rec. The shunter will ask for a line at random.
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Hope Valley FAQ 13/03/2025 at 10:34 #160503
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The Briggs Sidings token replaced message appears twice for a single train.
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Hope Valley FAQ 13/03/2025 at 15:05 #160505
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463 posts 		pedroathome in post 160440 said:
peterb in post 160439 said:
I think 'Edgley' is a typo?

Agreed, logged as Mantis 41963

James
Thank you, this was also present in the Line Up and WTT editor.

I don't think it's in the manual - for clarity, what era does the sim represent?
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Hope Valley FAQ 13/03/2025 at 17:18 #160512
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4028 posts 		peterb in post 160505 said:

I don't think it's in the manual - for clarity, what era does the sim represent?
A definite 'end date' is March 2024, when Grindleford and Totley Tunnel East closed and an Up goods loop was put in in the Grindleford area. Changes have also been made to the sidings at Buxton from what's simulated, but I don't think that's a showstopper.
Start date I'm not too sure about. The obsolete Peak District simulation had a 1987 timetable and modelled the same track layout.
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Hope Valley FAQ 13/03/2025 at 17:32 #160513
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3734 posts 		Steamer in post 160512 said:
peterb in post 160505 said:

I don't think it's in the manual - for clarity, what era does the sim represent?
A definite 'end date' is March 2024, when Grindleford and Totley Tunnel East closed and an Up goods loop was put in in the Grindleford area. Changes have also been made to the sidings at Buxton from what's simulated, but I don't think that's a showstopper.
Start date I'm not too sure about. The obsolete Peak District simulation had a 1987 timetable and modelled the same track layout.
Realistically anything from 1986 - 2024. Chinley was Rationalised and remodelled in 1981, Hazel Groves Chord opened 1986. The only missing infrastructure are the sidings at Grindleford which were used for wagon overflow storage for Earles and Peak Forest although that had ended by 1986.
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Hope Valley FAQ 14/03/2025 at 12:42 #160523
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283 posts 		Steamer in post 160512 said:
peterb in post 160505 said:

I don't think it's in the manual - for clarity, what era does the sim represent?

Changes have also been made to the sidings at Buxton from what's simulated, but I don't think that's a showstopper.
Regarding the layout at Buxton, we can use it to determine an approximate era for the sim.


This image shows the (approximate) layout in 1999:
- Orange signifies the breakdown/snowplough siding.
- Green is the holding siding, complete with unknown wagon.
- Red is the run-around lines and neck.


The same view in 2005 clearly shows the two sidings have been removed.

The relief sidings were extended in 2018/2019, pretty much doubling their length, and there is no addition of extra sidings as part of that work, so that rules out 2018 onwards.

Unfortunately, Google Earth has no coverage between 1999 and 2005, so its up to anyone with local knowledge to pin down a date these were removed, but I think we can safely say the era of Hope Valley depicted in the sim is between 1986 and 2005.
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Hope Valley FAQ 14/03/2025 at 18:28 #160527
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3734 posts 		Hope valley was designed to have a single broad encompassing era rather than multiple specific eras, which is why things exist like Edales DGL and single slip which are both long gone, and the additional sidings at buxton as well.
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Hope Valley FAQ 14/03/2025 at 19:11 #160529
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153 posts 		Very pleased to see this sim and looking forward to many hours on it. But I'm stumped quite early. How do I release Peak Forest Down sidings GF (PF25)? I've a train in siding 1 and a loco wanting to run round but I get Cannot release frame.

Edit: realised the problem. The wiki says that trains leaving Long Sidings at the B end need to use the GF. I interpreted leaving the sidings to include using the headshunt.
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