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| Plymouth sleeper portion Today at 12:16 #160536 | |
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Hi all, I am currently trying to work out the arrangements for the attachment (crucially) and detachment of the Plymouth sleeper portion that existed during the early years of FGW until 2006. I have the following worked out thus far: Down 1C99 arrive Plymouth P4 08 (running from where -- Laira or already at Plymouth?) attaches to rear of set and detached 1x Mk3 SLEP 08 shunts Mk3 SLEP to P8 and berths Returns to Laira on 5C99 09+18 Plymouth - LA Up 5A99 19+32 LA - Plymouth arrive Plymouth P8 (berths country end) 1V74 arrives Plymouth P8 London end to form 5V74 to depot 1A40 arrive Plymouth P7 ????? My main questions are: What shunts the Up sleeper portion onto the set -- train loco (as 08 has returned to depot after 5A99) or 08? What are the arrangements for the above with regards to what goes where? Somewhat confused as the SLEP would have to be 'picked up' from the country end as 5V74 would be in front of it which precludes a straight "loco off - pick up coach - set back and off" If the 08 shunts on the Up sleeper portion, does it remain at Plymouth for the Down or go back to Laira in the meantime? Any help much appreciated 83A Log in to reply |
| Plymouth sleeper portion Today at 18:44 #160539 | |
bill_gensheet
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Looking at 2004 WTT, the (then) 1V73 (a2307)/5V73(d0020) is in P5 not P8. Would not be the first WTT with a typo in it. The 08 likely stayed in the station overnight as there were several parcels & mail to shunt in DK2, no workings to or from Laira. Log in to reply |
| Plymouth sleeper portion Today at 19:21 #160541 | |
jc92
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bill_gensheet in post 160539 said:Looking at 2004 WTT, the (then) 1V73 (a2307)/5V73(d0020) is in P5 not P8.Is it the same 08 though? By then EWS operated the mail traffic and FGW had their own 08s at Laira. It would involve a hire in of the EWS Jocko presumably? That's if there still was one and it wasn't done by 67s and PCVs. I suspect the 08 is a FGW loco off laira. Does 5A99/C99 show its timing load as LDS or 08? The jocko could've worked the sleeper down and run back without a schedule. Ditto in reverse in the morning. The attachment to the London end in the evening would be the train loco as it has to detach off the train anyway to get the coach inside. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: Today at 19:25 by jc92 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Plymouth sleeper portion Today at 19:41 #160542 | |
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The June 2005 WTT has 2x 08 trips timed but that doesn't preclude there being more: Both timed as '08TRIP' 5A99 19+32 LA - PLY 5C99 09+18 PLY - LA The main queries now would be whether the 08 stays on after it's dropped off the Up portion and how the train loco picks up the portion if there is a Voyager in front (5A99 arrives P8 @ 19.53 and then 1V74 arrives 'on top' at 23.43 and doesn't leave empty until after the beds have gone 83A Log in to reply |
| Plymouth sleeper portion Today at 19:52 #160543 | |
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jc92
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I suspect the 08 goes back unscheduled (short distance movements don't require a formal schedule in the WTT or trust). Looking at the notes I now have, the sleeper is actually attached at the penzance end so the 08 must do it then go back to LA after. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: Today at 19:52 by jc92 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Plymouth sleeper portion Today at 21:09 #160547 | |
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Oh right — that would make sense then. So would the sleeper end up being formed SLEP + SLEP + SLEP + RFO + TSO + BFO + SLEP?
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