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| Timetable improvement ideas 18/05/2010 at 12:21 #9270 | |
GeoffM
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00:00 timings are not scored, so that run-round locos can have timings of 00:00 throughout and it doesn't matter when the loco arrives/departs. So in that situation you'd have a lot of light locos spawning at particular locations at midnight... What I described earlier moves the onus of the populating onto the timetable writer rather than the software, though the latter provides the facilities to do so. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 18/05/2010 at 12:26 #9271 | |
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GeoffM
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postal said:Unlikely but for example, suppose you have 00:00 TT start with 1A01 at P3 due dep 00:01 (which the sim inserts there), how would you handle 1A02 which is currently somewhere between its last timing point and P3 where it is due 00:04 - 00:06?Yes, something TRESIM handles by simply ignoring additional trains. Not so much a problem in "through" simulations (eg Royston) but definitely a problem in a busy "captive" simulation (eg Drain). SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 18/05/2010 at 12:46 #9272 | |
AndyG
1842 posts |
Geoff, what I meant to imply was that LEs would just need their initial arr/dep times being set to something other than 00:00, and using the set-down option to allow early departure as available. 00:00 dep times cause problems anyway, as if early the LE moves off and then sits at its reversal point awaiting due time if included. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 18/05/2010 at 19:38 #9276 | |
Peter Bennet
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On seed trains and it may have been mentioned elsewhere- the ability to overide any delay factors to ensure that seed trains enter at the required time. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 21/05/2010 at 20:03 #9325 | |
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Peter Bennet
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If a timtable is loaded on to a 'wrong' era then a warning is given. I envisage the developer being given the ability to flag up relevant eras which may cause difficulty and then there will be an option in the timetable tool that can be set to say which eras the timetable is designed to work on. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 21/05/2010 at 20:29 #9326 | |
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AndyG
1842 posts |
Sounds silly, but is it possible to remove the requirement for at least 2 key locations in a TT? eg DRC (drop coaches rear), another train then joins onto the coaches. Not essential, but would make TTing of complex activities easier & logical. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 21/05/2010 at 20:31 #9327 | |
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Sacro
1171 posts |
Yeah, perhaps add a to/from date in the eras in the sim and then a date in the WTT, that'd be nice.
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| Timetable improvement ideas 07/08/2010 at 12:17 #10553 | |
Chrisrail
384 posts |
Just some points that I feel I must make and I am ready for the flak. At Simsig we have been lucky in getting various information for timetabling. I have done timetabling by hand using WTTs obtained off the internet. I remember somebody posting on the forum about Timing loads and I uploaded a page from a WTT. This was questioned as to it being right and rightly so. We must remember that on a WTT it states "PRIVATE and not for PUBLICATION". So lets look at it you have a WTT. I thought that would be brilliant easy do a TT. Not so. To make it "Real" you need a lot more information. It is not a simple case of train A forms Train B. It could form BCDE!!!!. A WTT will also give you a timing load . DMU 75 could be a class 142,153,156 et al . different lengths. Carriage Working Notices and various other sources are needed to make things accurate. This applies to Freight Trains especially regarding length The release of "Information" should and will be in my case at the providers discretion. Sorry if that opens a can of worms but those of us in the industry need our jobs Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 07/08/2010 at 12:20 #10554 | |
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Chrisrail
384 posts |
Andy G Sounds silly, but is it possible to remove the requirement for at least 2 key locations in a TT? Using the systems that I do at work to TT a train it will not work unless you have 2 locations "Train Starts / Train Finishes. Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 07/08/2010 at 12:27 #10555 | |
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Chrisrail
384 posts |
What would be useful and I think this was on previous threads on the old forum is the " days option" You have spent hours,days etc putting the info for WTT trains some are MO/FSX/THO etc On the TT editor would it not be possile to put this a tick box related to calender in some way Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 07/08/2010 at 20:20 #10562 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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Quote:Using the systems that I do at work to TT a train it will not work unless you have 2 locations "Train Starts / Train Finishes. VoyagerPlan? Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 09/08/2010 at 23:07 #10607 | |
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Sacro
1171 posts |
There is a difference between two locations and two key locations, I've found a couple of reversals that aren't at what SimSig would class as a key location and therefore it flags up an error and refuses to allow them.
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| Timetable improvement ideas 10/08/2010 at 12:11 #10624 | |
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AndyG
1842 posts |
I like the days of week option idea, especially via tick boxes. Maybe an EWD box to auto-tick M-F.
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| Timetable improvement ideas 10/08/2010 at 14:56 #10625 | |
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Quizman
276 posts |
AndyG said:I like the days of week option idea, But how would the timetable/sim know what day it is - obtain it from your internal clock? Silly I know but these strange thoughts come into me head. On a more serious note - Could I ask for a 'Platform Listing'. On large non-through stations KX, Edin, Waterloo etc. whilst I know half the fun is trying not to block the whole system if a PF/TCF blocks a couple of platforms or trains are seriously delayed it is the signallers job to allocate a substitute platform. That takes time perusing the timetable to find an available platform which is not required during the failure period or awaiting late runners. A listing showing which platforms are in use during which times would be an advantage during sim play and even more advantageous when writing timetables for which one does not have a carriage working notice or platform notice to refer to. Or is there an easier way which I have not discovered! S Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 10/08/2010 at 16:23 #10627 | |
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GeoffM
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Steve, if you go into Timetable (F4) and Tools (1), select Analyse, it puts a text file into your timetable directory (or should do; some versions leave it in the wrong place) called tt_analysis.txt. It's sorted by location, platform, and time, with codes indicating whether the train starts from the location, terminates there, passes non-stop, or stops. From that you could determine whether a platform was free. It's not an ideal solution but the rationale behind this timetable improvements thread is partly to make the programming interface more accessible to 3rd party developers. I'm hoping that somebody would take advantage of it and produce, amongst other things, simplifiers (ie printable timetables), platform occupation graphs, maybe live departure boards, etc.
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| Timetable improvement ideas 11/08/2010 at 12:59 #10647 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
If there are any programmers out there looking to do something for SimSig, the sort of thing Geoff is talking about would be a good project. Take the existing ConvData or binary format and generate a platform occupation graph. Or a junction conflict table. Or anything else you think useful.
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| Timetable improvement ideas 11/08/2010 at 13:00 #10648 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
Sacro said:There is a difference between two locations and two key locations, I've found a couple of reversals that aren't at what SimSig would class as a key location and therefore it flags up an error and refuses to allow them.If you have any examples, please post them on a thread for the appropriate sim. Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 12/08/2010 at 12:39 #10675 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Steve, The method Geoff outlined is the one I used for the Scottish 1993 & 1985 timetables. They were not done from a CWN but from a bit of local knowledge and the analysis file. In some ways this is part of the 'fun' as it were of timetabling, you have to make up your own CWN. As such I've included the larger station timetable data in with the sim zip in a reasonably friendly format. Bill Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 12/08/2010 at 13:13 #10676 | |
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Signalhunter
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I would like to be able to scroll through the sim whilst I've got more than one depth of T/T editor open. I was trying to write a railtour T/T and kept having to close the editor, move the sim along and then re-open the editor. In the finish up, I took the luxury way out. and borrowed my partners laptop and stuck SimSig on there too. Then I could use hers for the Sim and mine for the editor. The other option would be to memorize all the relevant locations. Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 12/08/2010 at 14:24 #10677 | |
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AndyG
1842 posts |
or run another copy of the sim on your PC, use one to edit TT, other to view locations, and switch between the two.
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| Timetable improvement ideas 12/08/2010 at 17:07 #10683 | |
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Quizman
276 posts |
GeoffM said:select Analyse, it puts a text file into your timetable directory (or should do; some versions leave it in the wrong place) called tt_analysis.txt. Have done that but all I get is a list of warnings which unable to print out. No sign of a txt file you mention within the Simsig file any ideas where the 'wrong' place is as a file search did not uncover anything. bill_gensheet said: In some ways this is part of the 'fun' as it were of timetabling, you have to make up your own CWN. Agree absolutely, 'logistical problematics' - symptons late night/early morning headaches, swea Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 12/08/2010 at 19:42 #10693 | |
postal
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Steve If you're running Windows, have you used the search facility usually available from the Start Menu, searching for All files and folders or whatever the latest option is, using tt_analysis.txt as the file name and C: Drive as the location to search? JG “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 13/08/2010 at 19:47 #10708 | |
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Quizman
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Hi JG yes tried that, twice - to no avail S Belay that information just tried an advance search and it is located here apparently! C:UserssteveAppDataLocalVirtualStoreProgram FilesSimSig Thanks and can now see the woods from the trees. S Log in to reply |
| Timetable improvement ideas 23/08/2010 at 10:42 #10916 | |
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truckgirl 66
25 posts |
I have two ideas that may be possible 1 heavy snow falls blocking routes and disruption of services. 2 when a failure occurs esp early and late a phone call from technicians explaining when they will be able to attend so alternative working can be imposed . Yours Truckgirl66
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| Timetable improvement ideas 23/08/2010 at 11:26 #10918 | |
Meld
1111 posts |
When right clicking a TD in sim would it be possible to add an option to edit the timetable as an alternative to going into F2 ??
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