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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 02/08/2010 at 08:49 #10407
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Chris,

Are you able to give me a list of all class 313 starts composition?

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 06/09/2010 at 17:39 #11306
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tccb said:
Tick 3rd rail under Initial Power as well, and then it will work.
That doesn't work, I still get the wrong traction message EVEN though I've gone though all the workings and changed them to both AC and DC!!!

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 06/09/2010 at 17:45 #11308
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ajax103 said:
tccb said:
Tick 3rd rail under Initial Power as well, and then it will work.
That doesn't work, I still get the wrong traction message EVEN though I've gone though all the workings and changed them to both AC and DC!!!
Have you done that before the trains have entered? You cannot change power types/settings once a train has entered the area, it will only work if you change it before trains do actually enter the simulation.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 07/09/2010 at 02:33 #11310
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UKTrainMan said:
You cannot change power types/settings once a train has entered the area, it will only work if you change it before trains do actually enter the simulation.

I had the same problem with Chris's timetable. You can change the Power Types once it has entered. To do this, open up the timetable F4 select the train, edit Train Characteristics/Power Type first then Initial Power. Click Ok twice to close the editor. Select "Timetable" on the sim's menu, select "Save As", select the timetable that you have just edited from the displayed list and save it. Click "Yes" to overwrite the file name. Go into the Train List F2, right click the train that you edited, select "Timetable Options", select "Run to another timetable" select timetable then "Select next location" then click on "Run to TT".The train will now run to the correct Power Type.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 07/09/2010 at 16:05 #11315
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UKTrainMan said:
ajax103 said:
tccb said:
Tick 3rd rail under Initial Power as well, and then it will work.
That doesn't work, I still get the wrong traction message EVEN though I've gone though all the workings and changed them to both AC and DC!!!
Have you done that before the trains have entered? You cannot change power types/settings once a train has entered the area, it will only work if you change it before trains do actually enter the simulation.
Yes, done that!

BarryM said:
UKTrainMan said:
You cannot change power types/settings once a train has entered the area, it will only work if you change it before trains do actually enter the simulation.

I had the same problem with Chris's timetable. You can change the Power Types once it has entered. To do this, open up the timetable F4 select the train, edit Train Characteristics/Power Type first then Initial Power. Click Ok twice to close the editor. Select "Timetable" on the sim's menu, select "Save As", select the timetable that you have just edited from the displayed list and save it. Click "Yes" to overwrite the file name. Go into the Train List F2, right click the train that you edited, select "Timetable Options", select "Run to another timetable" select timetable then "Select next location" then click on "Run to TT".The train will now run to the correct Power Type.

BarryM
That doesn't work full stop!

arrrggggggg!!!!

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 08/09/2010 at 12:15 #11317
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ajax103 said:
That doesn't work full stop!

arrrggggggg!!!!
Ajax, Once you have made the changes and saved the timetable, go back into the timetable and see if the changes have been made. If there are no changes, you are not saving it correctly.

If you are still having problems, post a snapshot to this forum page.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 10/09/2010 at 08:03 #11353
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I "think" I've resolved it, issue seems to be that despite the sim being told that the 313s are dual voltage, the sim throws a wobbly when it detects it goes from AC to DC so need to make sure you have both Power Type and Initial Power selected as Overhead AND 3rd rail.

What would be nice if it can be done is to selected multiple headcodes and edit them as one ie only the power details, type of train etc....so not the timings.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 10/09/2010 at 11:40 #11356
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Reading up the posts I believe Chris is workiong on an update fixing these things so please be patient. Having said that there is nothing to stop you editing the relevant fields yourself and saving before you start the timetable.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 10/09/2010 at 11:44 #11357
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Hmm did you edit your post so that my response no longer makes sense?

Anyway if Chris used a generic stock type which is one of the tabs in the timetable then I think you just need to change that. Don't have access to a Sim at the moment to confirm exactly how to do it.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 10/09/2010 at 13:48 #11360
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Peter Bennet said:
Anyway if Chris used a generic stock type which is one of the tabs in the timetable then I think you just need to change that. Don't have access to a Sim at the moment to confirm exactly how to do it.
Chris did not use a generic stock type In his timetable, his class 313s did not have their Initial Power 3rd rail ticked. The way to change it on the fly is as quoted by me in a prior post.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 10/09/2010 at 14:32 #11361
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Peter Bennet said:
Reading up the posts I believe Chris is workiong on an update fixing these things so please be patient. Having said that there is nothing to stop you editing the relevant fields yourself and saving before you start the timetable.

Peter
That's what I've done until of course the update is ready that is.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 05/01/2011 at 12:35 #13092
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I have this timetable for my kings cross SimSig and found tha t I can not fix the moorgate bound 313 power problem wether I change the unit to both ac and dc power before they enter or after they enter the sim. I still get wrong route no valid traction.

can someone reccomend a deccent but not to difficult timetable for this box til this timetable is fixed?

thanks

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 05/01/2011 at 20:46 #13100
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bharrison said:
I have this timetable for my kings cross SimSig and found tha t I can not fix the moorgate bound 313 power problem wether I change the unit to both ac and dc power before they enter or after they enter the sim. I still get wrong route no valid traction.
How to fix the problem is shown in my post dated 7 September 2010. If you are not familiar with timetables, it can be difficult.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 11/01/2011 at 16:26 #13169
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Hey Guys. I'm going thru the timetable as we speak.

The power problem, I've found can only be resolved with a restart. You need to go into 'Trains Types', change the power of Class 313, x2, x3 AND Class 325 (not that it makes a difference unless you chain, like I do when NLL comes out). Once you've done that, you have to 'Clean' the timetable (Developement Tab), then save and start again.

I've found many formations mistakes and thats what I'm going thru now.

Question: I'm changing formations as most are standard 2x4 or 2x3, but there are many joins at Kings Cross, Moorgate and Hertford North.

Can I please have the platform lengths, because there are quite a few joins that are too long OR too short and I'm sure WAGN/FCC dont run 12car 313 services from Moorgate, and Plat 9-11 at Kings Cross can't take 12car either.
PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm halfway thru the changes. If anyone wants it so far with some of the changes, ALL traction problems solved, please let me know and I'll upload it.
I'm doing Peterborough too as thats what I normally chain to. Few formation changes too

Changes: All traction issues with Class 313
Made Grand Central trains correct lengths
changes to some services and correcting freight inconsistencies.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 11/01/2011 at 18:34 #13171
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Platform Lengths

Platform 1 - Buffer stop to K285 Signal = 294m
Platform 1 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 296m
Platform 1 - Buffer stop to K287 Signal = 359m

Platform 2 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 292m
Platform 2 - Buffer stop to K283 Signal = 293m

Platform 3 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 292m
Platform 3 - Buffer stop to K281 Signal = 293m

Platform 4 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 291m
Platform 4 - Buffer stop to K279 Signal = 298m

Platform 5 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 286m
Platform 5 - Buffer stop to K277 Signal = 294m

Platform 6 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 295m
Platform 6 - Buffer stop to K275 Signal = 322m

Platform 7 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 296m
Platform 7 - Buffer stop to K273 Signal = 306m

Platform 8 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 288m
Platform 8 - Buffer stop to K271 Signal = 288m

Platform 9 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 166m
Platform 9 - Buffer stop to K269 Signal = 167m

Platform 10 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 163m
Platform 10 - Buffer stop to K267 Signal = 166m

Platform 11 - Buffer stop to top of ramp = 163m
Platform 11 - Buffer stop to K265 Signal = 166m

Sorry but I don't have the information for Platform 0 at present.

FCC Formations

Class 313s

Correct, no 12-car Class 313s. Most in passenger-carrying service is 6-cars however some 3-cars do still run. That said, I have seen a 9-car Class 313 running but that is highly likely to be ECS.

Class 317s

Many 8-cars, but some 4-cars.

Class 321s

Evening peak semi-fast KGX to WGC is always a 4-car and is diagrammed to be a Class 321 however Class 317s and Class 365s have previously worked these two services (1727 & 1857 off Cross). Train terminates at WGC and runs under a Class 3 headcode back to Cross to work the 1857. Again, mix of both 4-car and 8-car for many trains.

Class 365s

As with Class 317s, varies between 4-cars and 8-cars.

King's Cross Suburban Platforms

8-cars (2 x Class 317 / 2 x Class 321 / 2 x Class 365) is the maximum.



Hope all this helps, but any more questions then don't hesitate to ask.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 11/01/2011 at 18:55 #13172
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Guts said:
Hey Guys. I'm going thru the timetable as we speak.

Guts, Chrisrail the developer of this timetable has this matter in hand. As far as I know, all errors have been fixed. Chris was going to release it as soon as he was able to. I think he may be on holidays at the moment as it appears that he has not acknowledged any of the current messages. AndyG, have you heard anything?
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 11/01/2011 at 20:45 #13173
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I exchanged emails with Chris on this very matter just this week, ironing out a few glitches.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 12/01/2011 at 18:35 #13176
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The UK Modern EMU Yahoo Group is a good source for unit diagrams, though unfortunately the Class 313 diagrams for 2010 are missing; depending on how much the timetable has changed, the 2009 or 2011 editions might still be useful.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 12/01/2011 at 19:41 #13177
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Peter Bennet said:
I exchanged emails with Chris on this very matter just this week, ironing out a few glitches.

Thanks for the update Peter.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 14/01/2011 at 13:16 #13188
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Hopefully and with Many thanks to my Australian Tester (Plenty of time to Test whilst England were batting) and Peter I will hopefully get this out late this weekend early next week for release. As far as i can see all major glitches have been ironed out (Famous last words) .

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 17/01/2011 at 20:36 #13216
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Uploaded for Chris a few moments ago.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 19/01/2011 at 23:41 #13243
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Presumably you need details of minor as well as major glitches. Starter for 10 in the minor category is that 2D88S enters Hornsey CS S426 but has Hornsey stop in the Location List.

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 20/01/2011 at 03:57 #13244
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2D88S enters Hornsey CS S426 but has Hornsey stop in the Location List.

Change the entrance location to Hornsey Up Sidings K106 (south), This a seed start.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 20/01/2011 at 09:28 #13246
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Barry

Lots of us know how to adjust TTs - I thought the point of this was to let Chris know where there were inconsistencies in the TT so that the publicly released version could be brought up to date with the inconsistencies ironed out (in the same way as I would be very grateful to hear of any problems with the 0445 start TTs available for Edinburgh and Central Scotland).

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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 20/01/2011 at 12:43 #13251
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Thanks JG. My misunderstanding.
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