A little Mock-SimSig Fun!

The N7 0-8-2T reflected in the mirror is one of those built at Stratford to AJ Hill's design . . . .

bill_gensheet in post 139812 said:

The N7 0-8-2T reflected in the mirror is one of those built at Stratford to AJ Hill's design . . . .

Someone has put a typo in at some stage. N7 were 0-6-2T not 0-8-2T. The LNER system allocated each wheel arrangement a letter. The full listing (as given on Wikipedia) is:

A: 4-6-2 B: 4-6-0 C: 4-4-2 D: 4-4-0 E: 2-4-0 F: 2-4-2 G: 0-4-4 H: 4-4-4 J: 0-6-0 K: 2-6-0 L: 2-6-4 M: 0-6-4 N: 0-6-2 O: 2-8-0 P: 2-8-2
Q: 0-8-0 R: 0-8-2 S: 0-8-4 T: 4-8-0 U: 2-8-0+0-8-2 V: 2-6-2 W: 4-6-4 X: 4-2-2 & 2-2-4 Y: 0-4-0 Z: 0-4-2

Image from Stratford Central Jn looking west/up

Signalman had a mirror to see trains coming.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/webimg/QVNIMTIwMDY3Nzcx.jpg?&width=640

August 1923: A mirror helps the signalman looking down the old Great Eastern line from Stratford Central station. The view from the signalbox was obscured by the waiting room roof and chimney stacks. The Channelsea curve is on the right, giving connections to the North London Railway at Victoria Park, and the Cambridge main line near Loughton Branch Junction. The N7 0-8-2T reflected in the mirror is one of those built at Stratford to AJ Hill's design, while in the background a B12 4-5-0 and a tank engine - possibly a J69 0-6-0T - stand alongside trains of very mixed empty stock. (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

Also
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOTO-GER-STRATFORD-CENTRAL-JUNCTION-DIAGRAM-OF-SIGNALS-C1919-/193542740429


Bill

I think otherwise, the now Cambridge lines were the former Local and 'Woolwich' became Electrics.

As for simulations, some aspects of the timetable look fun too. There were (1922) Fenchurch St - Ongar crossing the whole layout at a fair frequency <snip>

Another one of interest, Bow Jn post 1949 with the single line arrangements at the Bow end through to Thorntons Fields CS, along with some useful memories:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beechwoodphotography/4341659121/
Several other boxes and panels in the same users' pages

As you say some squeezing / realignment as there's more tracks than 1913 especially over the river bridges, and easing what would otherwise be quite a kink at Bow onto the unchanged alignments. Between bridges there were sidings that were removed. However the Cambridge lines were a simple double junction onto the (old) P9/P10 lines right through to 2000.
eg https://live.staticflickr.com/5473/11287047576_310ee9fb2f_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/2652/4095167911_921d6a7e8e_b.jpg

One query arising now is that the 1919 diagram shows interface to Eastern Jn on P10 (now 10A) and 'Pontoon (?)' presumably at the north of the Cambridge platforms.
There is a S.B. shown on the P10/P11 vee of the 1913 surveys in a simlilar location to the later power box. Was that out of use with signals taken over by the 1919 Central Jn ?

Bill

(This thread has indeed a life of its' own, how easy for a mod to move the relevant posts to 'real thing' section ?
I am OK to re-upload my Stratford diagram back to mock sim sig once amended)

Next is Salop Goods, a mechanical lever frame working PERMISSIVE BLOCK to SSN the only place in Britain now to do so outside a station! but layout-wise is simply taking the Fast & Slow freight independent lines and splits them either into the Manchester Independants which lead onto the Manchester south sim or onto the Liverpool independents which take you onto the coal yard panel.

Being I've been busy travelling to/from the railway hub that is Crewe I thought I'd make a mock as why not!

The area crisscross's soooo much it's rather a pain to simulate and laying out all the boxes in a good layout seems impossible so good luck to the developers when they eventually make a sim of Crewe!

The Boxes then:
First up Its Basford Hall, which is simple enough though has the fun job of regulating freight from Basford hall yard and sending them through, plus has Absolute block to play with! But though small a busy little panel!

Next along we reach the MAGNIFICENT Crewe Stn (Crewe SCC) Panel which although is only a small area geographically in the sim is an intense and hard job! You have control of the lines from Kidsgrove through Alsager and the single line through to the station itself, then at south junction, you have the 4 track mainline, Stoke and Nantwich lines converging with some heavy slotting into the DED (LSL) and on the line to Gresty Lane, then continuing through the station we have the lines leaving for Chester, Salop goods, Manchester and Coal yard to the North so all-in-all a very Intense panel.

Also on the LHS we have Gresty Lane SCC Which replaced the earlier Gresty Lane No1 SB in 2016 and is a very modern setup, with plenty of of shunting and slow freights to shunt and move around in between the half-hourly passenger service on the line.

Next is Salop Goods, a mechanical lever frame working PERMISSIVE BLOCK to SSN one of the few places in Britain now to do so outside a station! but layout-wise is simply taking the Fast & Slow freight independent lines and splits them either into the Manchester Independants which lead onto the Manchester south sim or onto the Liverpool independents which take you onto the coal yard panel.

Next, up Steelworks, which like its Neiburgh Beeston Castle on the Chester sim is very simple and involved cleaning the main signals for every move!

Coal Yard is our next stop, and here we see more evidence of complex slotting with Crewe PSB and very restrictive movements works AB to Salop and an equally busy box as the others in the sim.

Second, to last is Winsford split between the frame & Panel that reside in the box. it controls multiple 4-2 junctions and also works the main junction diverging Liverpool trains from Anglo-Scottish ones a very busy panel also!

Finally, we reach the ruler of all boxes Sorting-Sidings-North which has a stupidly complex layout with lots of short overlaps, shunting, slots, permissive and absolute block, plus all the through freight traffic that passes through Crewe meaning in a good chain with delays this box could be rather a lot of fun I feel!

I'm gonna try and make a 1985-2015 version before Gresty lane was abolished but after North & south junctions closed

Being I've been busy travelling to/from the railway hub that is Crewe I thought I'd make a mock as why not!

The area crisscross's soooo much it's rather a pain to simulate and laying out all the boxes in a good layout seems impossible so good luck to the developers when they eventually make a sim of Crewe!

The Boxes then:
First up Its Basford Hall, which is simple enough though has the fun job of regulating freight from Basford hall yard and sending them through, plus has Absolute block to play with! But though small a busy little panel!

Next along we reach the MAGNIFICENT Crewe Stn (Crewe SCC) Panel which although is only a small area geographically in the sim is an intense and hard job! You have control of the lines from Kidsgrove through Alsager and the single line through to the station itself, then at south junction, you have the 4 track mainline, Stoke and Nantwich lines converging with some heavy slotting into the DED (LSL) and on the line to Gresty Lane, then continuing through the station we have the lines leaving for Chester, Salop goods, Manchester and Coal yard to the North so all-in-all a very Intense panel.

Also on the LHS we have Gresty Lane SCC Which replaced the earlier Gresty Lane No1 SB in 2016 and is a very modern setup, with plenty of of shunting and slow freights to shunt and move around in between the half-hourly passenger service on the line.

Next is Salop Goods, a mechanical lever frame working PERMISSIVE BLOCK to SSN one of the few places in Britain now to do so outside a station! but layout-wise is simply taking the Fast & Slow freight independent lines and splits them either into the Manchester Independants which lead onto the Manchester south sim or onto the Liverpool independents which take you onto the coal yard panel.

Next, up Steelworks, which like its Neiburgh Beeston Castle on the Chester sim is very simple and involved cleaning the main signals for every move!

Coal Yard is our next stop, and here we see more evidence of complex slotting with Crewe PSB and very restrictive movements works AB to Salop and an equally busy box as the others in the sim.

Second, to last is Winsford split between the frame & Panel that reside in the box. it controls multiple 4-2 junctions and also works the main junction diverging Liverpool trains from Anglo-Scottish ones a very busy panel also!

Finally, we reach the ruler of all boxes Sorting-Sidings-North which has a stupidly complex layout with lots of short overlaps, shunting, slots, permissive and absolute block, plus all the through freight traffic that passes through Crewe meaning in a good chain with delays this box could be rather a lot of fun I feel!

I'm gonna try and make a 1985-2015 version before Gresty lane was abolished but after North & south junctions closed

So another small project i've just finished, A Kings Lynn Sim with 3 eras,

1985, Covering roughly the era between 1980 and 1990 before the layouts were rationalised further

1990-2020 the main era with the layouts seeing barely any changes aside from the re-modelling at Kings Lynn

2021, the final most modern era adds the EMU Siding that has just come into use at Kings Lynn!

a nice little sim, which would make great a nice free sim should it ever be released just a nice size for 1 person to manage!

Nicely done, Ely to Norwich next please ;)

So, after my new realisation, here is a "modern" (2022) Peterborough:
The layout is odd as it's changed very dramatically in someplace but very little in others!

So Since the current sim era the following has changed:
Peterborough lost its Fly-ash & goods lines and they were replaced by brand new bi-di platform Nos 7 & 8,
Peterborough east sidings were abolished, and are now under a housing estate!
The spur sidings survived and still exist!
Platform 1 was abolished with P2 Extended to cover the former entrance to P1
a NEW platform was added on the former Up Fast Line now numbered 3 under the new system.
Various new X-Overs were installed allowing full BiDi working through most platforms.
The yard also changed, with a IET Stabaling point now established, and shown on tthe diagram!

The other MAJOR change was the new "Werrington dive under" allowing freight to avoid crossing the fast lines and diverge under them instead. i shown this as 1 track circuit on the sim mock as being the track hasn't been laid yet I've no idea how they'll do it!

Thank you! xD knew i couldn't get it perfect haha
why were spital sdgs built may I ask? something about the 700s not fitting in nene CS?

Its alright xD

and ah okay so it was more overflow, due to the new TT, nice!