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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 29/11/2021 at 13:55 #142602 | |
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phil1044 in post 142600 said:Albert in post 142597 said:I've just looked at the TT & yes it would appear that the activities are missing from 1M87 on arrival at P1A at Birmingham New Street. The activities for the loco to detach, run round & re-join the stock are missing. This will be corrected in the next release. If users want to correct their current version of the TT can I suggest you copy the activities on the MX version of 1M87 at New Street & also create the loco run round schedule.Which day of the week are you running? You can see this from the first message in the F7 message box. I had no problems with it in the Thursday and Friday timetable.1M87 on the MO timetable has different activities at BHM than the MX version of the train does. On another note you'll see when 1M87 enters at Coventry it stops briefly at Birmingham Int'l, in reality the train doesn't stop at Birmingham Int'l, but this has been done as in the WTT there are 2 running schedules for the train. One coveringuntil 30th July & the other covering from 06th August to 01st October. This system has been used on all those trains which timings vary according to the time of year that train runs. Just to add to the confusion. If users intend to amend their copy of the TT please be sure to enter the correct UID on the activities by swapping the MX in the UID to MO. Last edited: 29/11/2021 at 14:15 by 58050 Reason: add'l info Log in to reply The following user said thank you: phil1044 |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 29/11/2021 at 20:17 #142610 | |
Splodge
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Sorry, it was the Monday TT (post 6th August) - the confusion stems from it being a Sunday train!
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 04/12/2021 at 13:18 #142735 | |
swiftaw
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In the note for 5O12 / 5O12SHNT2 it says NS147 preferred, but if you do that, you can't get to platform 2A.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 04/12/2021 at 14:29 #142737 | |
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58050
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swiftaw in post 142735 said:In the note for 5O12 / 5O12SHNT2 it says NS147 preferred, but if you do that, you can't get to platform 2A.OK Will look at this & make the change for the next release version. Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 04/12/2021 at 15:56 #142742 | |
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58050
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58050 in post 142737 said:swiftaw in post 142735 said:I t would appear that NS147 is correct for the 2nd reverse. It's the 3rd reverse for P2.In the note for 5O12 / 5O12SHNT2 it says NS147 preferred, but if you do that, you can't get to platform 2A.OK Will look at this & make the change for the next release version. Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 07/12/2021 at 14:26 #142794 | |
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swiftaw
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The period between about 09:30 and 10:00 is very intense, I'm not sure its possible to have all departures leave on time in that window with those light engine movements getting in the way.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 07/12/2021 at 16:26 #142795 | |
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swiftaw in post 142794 said:The period between about 09:30 and 10:00 is very intense, I'm not sure its possible to have all departures leave on time in that window with those light engine movements getting in the way.That's not the only time where you've got more than 1 loco change going on & another train with the loco running round. too. Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 07/12/2021 at 16:51 #142796 | |
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Albert
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I found around 13:00 the most intense time so far (although I haven't played through an entire day yet.)
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 08/12/2021 at 04:43 #142807 | |
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swiftaw
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I'm having an issue where 6M01 enters early (before 5G17) but the banker OT55 doesn't enter until after 5G17, so 5G17 blocks the path of the banker getting to 6M01.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 08/12/2021 at 21:45 #142824 | |
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broodje
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I'm only at 1.34 but I'm enjoying this timetable a lot. The sim not so much unfortunately, it has been a long time ago that so many trains refused to join and I had to abandon and reinstate a timetable for them. Or the dreaded 'subroute locked in opposite direction' problems. I had only a small problem with dwell times when trains were running late, for example 1G51 arrived and TRTS within a second. I can't any faults with the dwell times of 1G51 (there are none), but as you can see it arrived 11 minutes late, but was ready to depart 1 second after arriving at New Street. I thought when no dwell times were given it would go to the default 1 minute? I checked, but it really has the 'ready to depart' state on the F2 list. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 08/12/2021 at 21:57 by broodje Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 08/12/2021 at 22:04 #142826 | |
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Albert
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Which day of the week are you playing? On any day except Monday there are two trains with the headcode 9B03 in the sim at the same time. The one in P8 (UID 9B03SHNT1) joins to 5G00 and the one in 2SG (UID 9B03VANSMXZ) joins to 9G00 afterwards. (5G00 will only form 9G00 after the join, so it appears you got 5G00 joined correctly to the 9B03 in P8.) You might have reinstated 9B03 in 2SG as the wrong 9B03 during a previous move there (there is an earlier train that joins one van to it). Please check its UID to make sure it's 9B03VANSMXZ. AJP in games Last edited: 08/12/2021 at 22:09 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 08/12/2021 at 22:09 #142827 | |
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broodje
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I quickly edited my post, but apparently not fast enough. You were right Albert ;).
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 08/12/2021 at 22:10 #142828 | |
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Albert
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Yes, and I also edited my post not quickly enough! I added a question to it about the day of the week as I noticed that the situation on Monday is different from the other days.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 09/12/2021 at 08:59 #142831 | |
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broodje
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On Wednesday train 0T550529 should have a rule to make it enter after 6M590525 has entered. Now it was an interesting juggle with 7T48, 0T55 and 6M59 at Perry Barr as they were coming in in the wrong order.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 09/12/2021 at 18:55 #142843 | |
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Albert
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I'm having another train in the wrong order, this time from Wolverhampton: 5G591621 and 5G561621. The first one needs to be held at Perry Barr while at the meantime the second one should go to New Street via Aston. 5G56 should enter first of these two.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 09/12/2021 at 23:42 #142852 | |
postal
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Albert in post 142843 said:I'm having another train in the wrong order, this time from Wolverhampton: 5G591621 and 5G561621. The first one needs to be held at Perry Barr while at the meantime the second one should go to New Street via Aston. 5G56 should enter first of these two.Always good to see people taking the time to run through a TT and actually write up the issues they have found as this will help in producing a more accurate TT for future users; we all appreciate the input. However we know from the way that Pascal (58050} works that the timetable is constructed from the best information available to him and is as accurate as manual input will allow. While not in any way wishing to denigrate the hard work that you have always done in noting and writing up your problems perhaps we need to take a step back. If you have trains entering in the wrong order due to delays or other disruptions outwith the written TT could the entry in the wrong order have happened in real life? If so, then it is the signaller's job to work round it rather than it being anything that needs any TT edits. rules or decisions. Maybe a case of noting the problem rather than the definitive "should enter"? “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 09/12/2021 at 23:55 #142853 | |
flabberdacks
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He did say 'should' as opposed to 'must', because trains 'should' enter in an order that allows them all to keep time. If delays are turned on, of course all that goes out the window as we know. I'd be very surprised if anyone was reporting concerns with the order of entering trains while delays are turned on. This is a magnificent timetable by the way, I'm having a lot of fun with it. Old timetables have a way of adding great value to a sim by completely changing the way users work trains around the area. Patterns change and then change again, and then you're asked to run a loco around in between frequent arriving and departing traffic. Wonderful! Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 10/12/2021 at 08:02 #142855 | |
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broodje
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postal in post 142852 said:... perhaps we need to take a step back. If you have trains entering in the wrong order due to delays or other disruptions outwith the written TT could the entry in the wrong order have happened in real life? If so, then it is the signaller's job to work round it rather than it being anything that needs any TT edits. rules or decisions.It was in no means meant as critique, I hoped to help and improve the already excellent timetable. And the example I gave was a freight train with a banker behind it, so in no circumstances it would have arrived in the wrong order in real life, so that was the reason I noted it. Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 10/12/2021 at 08:55 #142856 | |
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Albert
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What happens here is that two trains have the same entry time, so I think their order is random even with delays off. I didn't have any delays on and nevertheless got them to enter in an unexpected order. If you are running with delays it is fixable by putting the first train in the Soho goods loop anyway, they take that route. AJP in games Last edited: 10/12/2021 at 08:56 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 11/12/2021 at 15:14 #142869 | |
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flabberdacks
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1S85D1115's stopping position is such that 0S85 needs the shunt on NS202 to reach the train and attach, but there's no mention of such in the notes of either train. Any chance of adjusting 1S85's arrival position so that it stops with the rear in 5B, with enough space for 0S85 to arrive in clear before attaching? Log in to reply |
| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 11/12/2021 at 20:08 #142873 | |
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swiftaw
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Is there an error in the routing of 0O12 (0O12D1253)? It comes out of engineering siding 2 to north reverse, but then is supposed to pass through platform 3, but I don't think you can get to platform 3 from there.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 12/12/2021 at 16:36 #142886 | |
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flabberdacks
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Just want to make sure I'm understanding the assignment with 1V961329H 1V96 detaches a loco 0V96 which has to wait for several other moves before departing the platform, but 0V96 is meant to arrive and attach before 0S64 departs, at the same end of the train. It is not really possible to shunt 0V96 early without delaying many trains. If you could have Saltley send 0V96 behind 1M52 instead of its current slot, I think this would work. 
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 12/12/2021 at 19:56 #142892 | |
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Albert
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Some of the loco timings are fairly random. You can't attach 0V96 before 0S64 is out in any case. As long as the loco is on the train by the time it wants to depart (at 14:06) it won't be a problem.
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 15/12/2021 at 06:29 #142914 | |
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swiftaw
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0S64 (0S64E1355) says P1-P8 shunt, but is routed P1-P6B where is interferes with 1V53
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| Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 04:26 #142929 | |
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flabberdacks
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Albert in post 142892 said:Some of the loco timings are fairly random. You can't attach 0V96 before 0S64 is out in any case. As long as the loco is on the train by the time it wants to depart (at 14:06) it won't be a problem.Completely agree, but the loco that needs to be held until it can join enters from Saltley with a couple of trains right behind it. Nowhere to park the incoming loco to allow trains behind to pass, without abandoning table and using one of the station sidings. That was just why I suggested adjusting the entry time for 0V96. Log in to reply |