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| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 05/05/2023 at 11:26 #151684 | |
58050
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ajax103 in post 151676 said:Maybe it's me not understanding the timetable but with 6M23 / 6M232121MWFO+ which has the last location of being Melbourne Junction, is it actually meant to left on the Down Main or routed into the Sunnyhill Up Goods? It berths in the loop where it is tt'd to go according to the freight WTT. When you started a new game on IIRC Thursdays 6M23 seeded where it berths the day before ie: in the loop. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 09/06/2023 at 12:26 #152111 | |
tjtbcork
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Running this TT after the update to the sim and TT on the 6/6. 9M65 refuses to enter the sim. It has a rule that it must not enter until 10mins after 1M65 arrives at Ambergate Jn. Is the problem that 1M65 passes Ambergate Jn instead of arriving? 9M65 enters once I delete the rule. Save attached Tim. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 09/06/2023 at 16:50 #152114 | |
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AndyG
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I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 09/06/2023 at 17:14 by AndyG Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 09/06/2023 at 17:16 #152115 | |
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AndyG
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Have checked the rule (attached), all seems OK at first glance, would imply a sim rule bug if not working. Will look at your save. Edit: ran the save, 9M65 entry request 0652 for entry circa 0653 so couple of mins early. (the rule wasn't greyed out at the 0650 save, but greyed out (ie spent) upon its entry call) Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 09/06/2023 at 17:17 by AndyG Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 09/06/2023 at 17:52 #152116 | |
postal
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Although the rule states that 9M65 must enter 10 minutes after 1M65 arrives at Ambergate that does not override the 9M65 timetable. That means that 9M65 will enter not before 0655 (although maybe earlier or later if there is early/delay noted in its TT - this shows in a box on the front tab of the TT). However it will not enter earlier than 10 minutes after 1M65 passes Ambergate as the rule would then take priority. The purpose of such a rule is not to force the entry of 9M65, but to set a minimum interval from 1M65 passing Ambergate to 9M65 entering. 1M65 is booked to pass Ambergate at 06/45 but if it passes early 9M65 should still be expected to enter at 06:55 even though this is more than 10 minutes after 1M65 has passed Ambergate. In this instance, the purpose of the rule is to stop a loco and NPCCS clogging up Derby station while waiting for the arrival of 1M65 if that train is running late. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following users said thank you: AndyG, 58050 |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 24/06/2023 at 14:32 #152250 | |
Soton_Speed
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Some niggles from a Tues run through: 1. 6E7521401 has 'Runs as Req' ticked? 2. Should 5M40 have a dwell time at DBY? 3. Similarly, what's the minimum dwell for unloading 1P32? 4. 0Z000434TO never enters due to conflicting rules. 5. Should a 0F540500 rule govern 6T920835 entry? 6. 0T12-F rule 9M65 entry? 7. 0V760610MX rule 6V7609001 entry? 8. Are 1Z00 & 1Z10 alternatives as they are both the Tribometer Test Train? 9. 0P21, 0P23 & 0P29 are missing loco choices. 10. What's the minimum dwell @ Mantle Lane for 8E86 - rule too stringent? 11. There's potential for a decision mismatch between 6P23 & 6T341815 (Trip 34 decision). 12. Is 7T321815/7V92 missing a crew change at Mantle Ln? 13. "Cl.08 DB+CAR BV+12 empty POA 2 axle Open Scrap wagons" is listed as 17m long? 14. 0T09/T.09-99 missing entry rule. 15. 1M59 is missing its pm entry @ Clay Cross. 16. 0Z811521 only enters if 7P031325TTHO runs, not 7P031340TTHO as well. 17. 0Z211751TO does not enter due to rule conflict. 18. 6T321222 (56&58) never enters due to rule conflicts. 19. Should 0T312117 run to Mantle Ln not Swains Pk? 20. 0T09/T.09-A42 has duplicate rules. 21. DMUs/DPUs and the HST Pullman are missing terminate reverse dwell times etc. 22. Trip 89 never makes it back to Chaddesden Sdgs from Dby RTC, and should 8T89 go to the RTC P'Way entrance? Sorry for long list but 'marginal gains' and all that... In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply The following user said thank you: flabberdacks |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 24/06/2023 at 17:57 #152252 | |
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AndyG
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Thank you for reporting, an initial response:- 1. 6E7521401 has 'Runs as Req' ticked? Needs untick 2. Should 5M40 have a dwell time at DBY? Probably and/or terminate rev on prev working 3. Similarly, what's the minimum dwell for unloading 1P32? Unknown, 20 min to be added 4. 0Z000434TO never enters due to conflicting rules. To be investigated 5. Should a 0F540500 rule govern 6T920835 entry? To be investigated 6. 0T12-F rule 9M65 entry? To be investigated 7. 0V760610MX rule 6V7609001 entry? To be investigated 8. Are 1Z00 & 1Z10 alternatives as they are both the Tribometer Test Train? Needs decision for 1Z00, 1Z10A & B alternatives 9. 0P21, 0P23 & 0P29 are missing loco choices. PN will review trains with Cl 20/56/60 alternatives 10. What's the minimum dwell @ Mantle Lane for 8E86 - rule too stringent? Booked 20m to Examine train in WTT 11. There's potential for a decision mismatch between 6P23 & 6T341815 (Trip 34 decision). Review as per item 9 12. Is 7T321815/7V92 missing a crew change at Mantle Ln? Probably, may need rule vice CC 13. "Cl.08 DB+CAR BV+12 empty POA 2 axle Open Scrap wagons" is listed as 17m long? PN to review 14. 0T09/T.09-99 missing entry rule. To be investigated 15. 1M59 is missing its pm entry @ Clay Cross. Missing train to be added 16. 0Z811521 only enters if 7P031325TTHO runs, not 7P031340TTHO as well. To be investigated 17. 0Z211751TO does not enter due to rule conflict. To be investigated 18. 6T321222 (56&58) never enters due to rule conflicts. Review as per item 9 19. Should 0T312117 run to Mantle Ln not Swains Pk? Yes, amended 20. 0T09/T.09-A42 has duplicate rules. duplicate deleted 21. DMUs/DPUs and the HST Pullman are missing terminate reverse dwell times etc. To be reviwed, along with items 2+3 22. Trip 89 never makes it back to Chaddesden Sdgs from Dby RTC, and should 8T89 go to the RTC P'Way entrance? To be reviwed Items 9, 11 and 18 all relate to Cl 20,56&58 alternatives and VB trains (Cl20 only), which Pascal's going to look at in detail presently. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: flabberdacks, Soton_Speed |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 25/06/2023 at 00:51 #152253 | |
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AndyG
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Update (#1) I've edited the following, and passed the WTT back to Pascal to look at the other points:- 1. 6E7521401 has 'Runs as Req' ticked? Unticked 4. 0Z000434TO never enters due to conflicting rules. Duplicated -A and -B trains, ditto with $0Z000353WO (all off 7P35 x4) 5. Should a 0F540500 rule govern 6T920835 entry? Not essential, but 180m enter after leaves rule added 6. 0T12-F rule 9M650655 entry? 20m enter after leaves rule added 7. 0V760610MX rule 6V7609001 entry? 120m enter after leaves rule added 8. Are 1Z00 & 1Z10 alternatives as they are both the Tribometer Test Train? Decision TRIBO added for 1Z00,1Z10A+B alternatives 10. What's the minimum dwell @ Mantle Lane for 8E86 - rule too stringent? Booked 20m to Examine train in WTT (Note added) 12. Is 7T321815/7V92 missing a crew change at Mantle Ln? CC added 14. 0T09/T.09-99 missing entry rule. T.09-99 duplicated as A99/B99 and 120m rules added 15. 1M59 is missing its pm entry @ Clay Cross. 1M592022 enters 2347 added, berths Derby 2410 16. 0Z811521 only enters if 7P031325TTHO runs, not 7P031340TTHO as well. $0Z811633TTHO appears after $7P031340TTHO 17. 0Z211751TO does not enter due to rule conflict. 0Z211751TO duplicated to -P & -X 19. Should 0T312117 run to Mantle Ln not Swains Pk? Yes, arr 2152. also $9T312235-56/58 after $0T312117-56/58 rules corrected (vice $0T310710-56/58) 20. 0T09/T.09-A42 has duplicate rules. duplicate deleted I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 25/06/2023 at 00:53 by AndyG Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 30/06/2023 at 17:34 #152280 | |
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AndyG
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Update (#2):- 2. Should 5M40 have a dwell time at DBY? 20m dwell added (aside from any train type dwells) 3. Similarly, what's the minimum dwell for unloading 1P32? 20m nominal dwell added (train only moves to vacant platform for subsequent arrival) 9. 0P21, 0P23 & 0P29 are missing loco choices. Pascal has reviewed all the Cl 20/56/60 alternatives 11. There's potential for a decision mismatch between 6P23 & 6T341815 (Trip 34 decision). Reviewed as per item 9 13. "Cl.08 DB+CAR BV+12 empty POA 2 axle Open Scrap wagons" is listed as 17m long? Corrected to 118m long. 18. 6T321222 (56&58) never enters due to rule conflicts. Reviewed as per item 9 21. DMUs/DPUs and the HST Pullman are missing terminate reverse dwell times etc. DMU & HST bespoke dwells added in lieu of defaults. 22. Trip 89 never makes it back to Chaddesden Sdgs from Dby RTC, and should 8T89 go to the RTC P'Way entrance? Missing moves added by Pascal Pascal has started a run through of the updated WTT prior to its reissue in the near future. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: bfcmik, Soton_Speed |