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Seed Map 13/08/2024 at 18:35 #158171
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Hello all I'm currently in the process of making my first time table and currently struggling with the Seed map placements. I have figured out the seeding for the platforms but not with signals throughout the rest of the panels. Is there any seed map available for this? I've seen the signal map but that isn't too useful.
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Seed Map 13/08/2024 at 19:16 #158172
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Hoax in post 158171 said:
Hello all I'm currently in the process of making my first time table and currently struggling with the Seed map placements. I have figured out the seeding for the platforms but not with signals throughout the rest of the panels. Is there any seed map available for this? I've seen the signal map but that isn't too useful.
You will know roughly where you need a train to enter if you know the times at the pre-seed-time and post-seed-time locations. Right-click* on the signals between the locations until you find the signal number at the location that fits your seed entry best.

* Left-click if you have used F3 to set Options > Control to check the "Right-click cancels route" box.

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Seed Map 13/08/2024 at 19:53 #158173
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I second Postals comment. It can be a bit of a guessing game, but when you test the timetable you can always adjust the seed point by several signals if its running to early/late.

trains are normally seeded at a signal number rather than a location so I'm not sure why the signal maps aren't what you're looking for. could you elaborate on what information you're actually looking for to complete seeding?

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Seed Map 13/08/2024 at 20:55 #158174
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Hoax in post 158171 said:
Hello all I'm currently in the process of making my first time table and currently struggling with the Seed map placements. I have figured out the seeding for the platforms but not with signals throughout the rest of the panels. Is there any seed map available for this? I've seen the signal map but that isn't too useful.
You can find a lot of information in our wiki, and specifically Writing Timetables

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Craig

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Seed Map 13/08/2024 at 23:35 #158177
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Maybe I'm just not understanding correctly so I'll show the example. I want to seed a train in at signal W22 but I don't know which seed point that is.




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Seed Map 13/08/2024 at 23:51 #158178
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The signals are listed alphanumerically. In that sort of listing S1 is followed by S10, S100, S101 . . . S11, S110, S111, S112 . . . You need to scroll down the list to find S2, S20, S200, S201 . . . S21 . . . S22 . . .

To add to the fun in this case, seeding at S22 in the TT actually enters the train at S10. Presumably something in the coding for the sim due to some sort of local circumstance.

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Seed Map 14/08/2024 at 07:57 #158179
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S60 is S22 I have figured out slightly annoying they don't link up exactly.
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Seed Map 14/08/2024 at 13:50 #158180
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It is frustrating when you get other simulations which show locations as Platform 1, 2 3 etc but in Waterloo, you're second guessing yourself however I had the same issue myself so by using logic I worked out all the seeding locations for the Platforms at London Waterloo and also at the Carriage Sidings just outside London Waterloo. There's probably a reason for Waterloo being different but hey ho...
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Seed Map 14/08/2024 at 14:43 #158181
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ajax103 in post 158180 said:
There's probably a reason for Waterloo being different but hey ho...

According to the Wiki the last update was in 2014 which possibly pre-dated the ability to do that, or more likely it did not occur to me to do it. Either way the Sim is now unsupported so is not permitted to enter the test/release system.

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Seed Map 14/08/2024 at 15:37 #158182
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Peter Bennet in post 158181 said:
ajax103 in post 158180 said:
There's probably a reason for Waterloo being different but hey ho...

According to the Wiki the last update was in 2014 which possibly pre-dated the ability to do that, or more likely it did not occur to me to do it. Either way the Sim is now unsupported so is not permitted to enter the test/release system.

Peter
That's what I expected but do you think the seeding locations I've provided might be acceptable for the manual for the simulation?

Feel free to format it though for said manual.

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Seed Map 14/08/2024 at 16:52 #158183
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As I understand it, the original paged version of Waterloo the wrong signal numbers.

This was corrected on the scrolly version for most purposes by using a display alias, but the TT editor is referencing the internal IDs which weren't changed.

By some minor miracle, the original signal number plan is still on the Wiki. So use this plan to select signal numbers to seed at, rather than the scrolly version: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Media/Wiki/%2Fusertrack%2Fmans%2Fwaterloo-signal-number-plan.pdf

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Seed Map 14/08/2024 at 17:41 #158185
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there is a similar albeit minor issue like this in Exeter new yard which I think was the same reason.
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