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| Sheffield 1983-1984 03/09/2010 at 09:13 #11263 | |
flymo
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Just finished a run through of Thursdays timetable and would like to congratulate the writers for their work. Fantastic stuff, if a little frantic at times.  No huge problems to report really, just a couple of joining issues, nothing major. I'm going to try it again soon when my brain cools down a tad to see if I can iron out the joining problems. It may have been something I did. All in all 76% I thought was pretty good but I did have failures set to 0. Couldn't dream of doing it myself with any failures yet.  Once again a huge thank you to all involved in this masterpiece. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 03/09/2010 at 23:32 #11271 | |
58050
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Very good Flymo. I think you must be one of the first to complete it on your own. Thats something I haven't even done yet, despite writing this timetable in the first place & then re-working it with the rest of the gang to produce V.3. The joining issues have already been noted & dealt with by John(Meld) so far. Along with certain other issues that have come to light. Tghe main thing for us at the end of the day is that you enjoyed it. If everyone for mr who has downloaded it says the same thing, then all the time it took to create was worth while as an ex railwayman I wanted to make it as realistic as I could get it for that time & era & I would say we achieved in '%' terms somewhere in the mid 90s. I'm sure when the times is right we shall no doubt re-release it with the reported bugs & issues all sorted out. So watch this space. Thank you again for your kind words.
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| Sheffield 1983-1984 04/09/2010 at 00:36 #11272 | |
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flymo
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No worries. Just FYI there were only 2 or 3 real issues with the joining involving 5M10 and 5V97 and their relevant joins. I think there was also one in the early hours at the start but can't remember now. Anyhow the joins eventually succeeded or were abandoned to keep things running. No huge problem really. There was also a notice of 9T41B being sent onto a freight line when entering out of Templeborough but I think that just needs a box ticking. Think I'll try Friday next. Got a better idea of what to expect this time.
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| Sheffield 1983-1984 04/09/2010 at 05:34 #11275 | |
Meld
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Flymo take a look in this thread there are a few workarounds and cures here - 1J01 needs DF 0V97 moving to the top of the activities list - 9T41B did have a missing checked box - sorted now thanks  http://www.SimSig.co.uk/index.php?option=com_agora&task=topic&id=1607&p=2&Itemid=54#p10947 Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 04/09/2010 at 12:58 #11277 | |
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flymo
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Re 5V97 I think I remembered that bit about the moving of the activities, I did move one of the activities of one of the trains and it joined. I suspect this was the one. It certainly joined eventually and went on it's merry way. Up to about 03:40 on Friday now and everything is tickety-boo. I feel much more relaxed with the Friday timetable, much easier to regulate things after running the Thursday one. More of an idea what to expect and how to route trains. Thanks for the heads up anyway. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 04/09/2010 at 16:08 #11280 | |
TimTamToe
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Meld said:Flymo take a look in this thread there are a few workarounds and cures here - 1J01 needs DF 0V97 moving to the top of the activities list - 9T41B did have a missing checked box - sorted now thanksAh ha I knew there was something that needed altering but couldn't remember. I'm up to the 5M10 / 5V97 point of the timetable on Monday so far and apart from that I can't really remember any problems at all. Fantastic and enjoyable timetable and I appreciate all of your efforts Tim Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 19/10/2010 at 21:07 #12062 | |
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trolleybus
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I'm tearing my hair out trying to get 0E62S to mate with 5E62 is Sheffield P1B. Everything I try gets an exception (5E62 in DoMoving: reason code SAD). From then on 5E62 permanently moves at 0 mph. This is quite early in the morning (before 0400) so many of you must have got beyond this: did it bite you? Any idea how to fix it? I'm running the Friday TT. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 20/10/2010 at 01:13 #12063 | |
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Meld
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HI Trollybus - I knew I'd covered this one before the solution is here Meld said: 5E62 UpdateHTH There will be an updated release soon which has taken care of this and a few other issues as well 9003 Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 20/10/2010 at 16:13 #12068 | |
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trolleybus
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Apologies for not finding the earlier fix - I'll carry on with the sim now.
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| Sheffield 1983-1984 21/10/2010 at 17:25 #12080 | |
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officer dibble
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Meld, Regarding the Beighton x-ing issues we had in the hosted game with 0Txx (Shunter transfer). I have discovered it has been caused by reversing a train at the position signal whilst it fouls the x-ing. I tried 3 times before commencing with a full tt test with the moves in and it happened every time. I have changed the 0T to reverse at Woodhouse Jn twice so that it enters Beighton Sdgs at the North End vice South End. Although I did this I still chose to test the barriers at Beighton and they worked as they should do. Hope this is of use. Dibbs When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 21/10/2010 at 21:58 #12087 | |
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Meld
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Paul thanks for that I had the same result - however the shunters stabled by the side of Beighton crossing box - So I've reworked them to come in from Treeton using Beighton Jct reverse instead 9003 Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 21/10/2010 at 22:53 #12088 | |
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officer dibble
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Good stuff sir, and thanks for the info. I await the next set eagerly ;p
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 11/06/2011 at 16:31 #16477 | |
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Javelin395
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Despite following the above advice I'm still experiencing problems with the 0E62S / 5E62 join. A quick look at the train list shows 0E62S waiting at P1A waiting for its joining train whilst 5e62 is waiting in P1B for its joining trains. When I set the route from S112 to S126 the route immediately drops. I therefore abandoned timetable for 0E62S and waited for it to call in as waiting at red signal. Upon receiving the call I then authorised 0E62S to pass S112 at danger but it then mysteriously runs straight through 5E62 to the north end of P1B. Does anyone have a fix for this? By the way I'm running the Sheffield 1983v3Mon TT. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 11/06/2011 at 21:17 #16482 | |
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Meld
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Javelin - My favourite bit the Sheffield shunts (rips what little bit of hair I've got left out) It doesnt matter what day you run as 0E62S is in the main t/t and it may not have been updated yet - it is mentioned already in this thread above - I think your problem is with the vans (5E62) having no length - I know the timetable for 0E62s has been amanded a few times during tests and cant remember if this was before or after the release of the t/t. The original t/t was this . 0E62S DES='Cl.08 HS - P1b t/w 5E62'; RRP=50; TYP=504FD98F; MXS=15; LEN=9; BRK=Metro; PWR=Diesel; # 3 timing points (SHEFFLD DEP=03:24H; LPX=32; PLT=2; DPD=D; NPD=D) (SHEFS142 ARR=03:25H; DEP=03:26; SDO=T; LPX=32; PPD=D) (SHEFFLD ARR=03:27; DEP=03:35; LPX=32; PLT=1B; ACT=J:5E62) If your happy with editing t/ts then it should read as follows SHEFFIELD --:-- 03d00 P2 SHEFFIELD SS&CWM --:-- 03d04 SHEFFIELD SS(s87/92) --:-- 03t11 SHEFFIELD 03:12h 03:35 P1B J:5E62 Hope this helps 9003 Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 11/06/2011 at 22:17 #16483 | |
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Javelin395
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Many thanks for your response Meld. I too like all the shunting and it is nice to control the trains around where I live !! Editing TT's is no problem. I've had a look and 5e62 is shown as having length 51m. I'll try changing 0E62S TT to show P1B as its final location instead of P1A. Whilst fiddling around (before I saw your reply), I discovered that abandoning 0E62S TT, authorising it to pass signal S112 at danger then quickly reinstating its TT before it reaches 5E62 overcomes the problem of the shunter running through the vans so I fully expect your fix will solve my problems. Bit off topic this but just out of curiosity can you explain the significance of the t in the TT entries such as 03t11 ? Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 11/06/2011 at 23:05 #16485 | |
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Meld
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Just had a thought on this - try setting 1E62's sheffield stop to far end exact in P1b and the above shunt should then work. t in 03t11 = through line stop (stops calling for early path) Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 15/06/2011 at 17:13 #16609 | |
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Javelin395
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Hi Meld, Having made the changes you suggested I have run the 1983 TT from start to 03-20AM. However, 0E62S is still behaving like the proverbial ghost train !! 0E62S arrived in P1A but I was then unable to set a call-on the route from S112 to S126. The stem of S112 briefly turns white before going grey again. A quick glance at the train list shows 0E62S is stopped at P1A waiting for joining train (5E62) even though it is definitely timetabled to P1b. Having abandoned timetime and waited for it to call in I then authorised 0E62S to pass S112 at danger. It then ran right through 5E62 before coming to a stand in P1b with the train list showing 1E62 infront. A short time later it then set of again, this time running through 1E62 before coming to a stand at S126. Is this more likely a sim issue rather than a TT one? Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 15/06/2011 at 19:26 #16613 | |
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AndyG
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I suspect the train does not run though the other train, it's just its TD stepping from the P1A berth to the next berth in P1B. Even if TTed to P1B, it will be considered as 'arrived' at Sheffield once stopped in any part of the platform. For a train to run through P1a to P1b the route must be set right through before it approaches. One thing to try is to instruct to 'shunt forward'. If you've abandoned the TT, you need to reinstate it, and set to correct location, for the join to start. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 15/06/2011 at 19:31 #16614 | |
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AndyG
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Meld, Meld said: t in 03t11 = through line stop (stops calling for early path)'t' - through line stop - is for trains requiring to stop at a location without a platform eg for crew changes. 'd' - set down time - is for trains that can depart early, eg ECS moves. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 15/06/2011 at 20:46 #16616 | |
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Javelin395
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AndyG, Point noted re routing through P1a to P1b. This is probably covered in the simulation documentation which I'd read a long time ago when Sheffield was first released and have since forgotten so apologies for that. I can't remember whether or not I tried this the first time I ran into problems with 0E62S so I'll run the timetable again and see what happens. As for your comments as re 0E62S running through other trains I'm not sure of your interpretation (although I'm quite happy to accept I'm wrong). It's just that when I watch the train list the activity actually updates to show 0E62S as moving at xx mph then stopped with 1E62 infront then moving again at xx mph until it eventually comes to a stand at S126. Of course it could well be that this info comes from stepping up of the TD's in which case you may well be correct !! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 15/06/2011 at 21:11 #16617 | |
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Meld
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Jav - just run through a 0300 save and the join performed fine - check that 5E62 has the join as the first line in its t/t - if so click edit t/t - do nothing to it and click ok - the join then works
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| Sheffield 1983-1984 16/06/2011 at 12:10 #16637 | |
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Javelin395
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Sorry to be a pain in the backside folks but I still can't get 0E62S / 5E62 to behave despite all the kind suggestions. It must be something I'm doing / not doing as you guys are telling me it works for you. I have the latest system files, Sheffield sim etc (because I was forced to reinstall my PC after one of those wonderful Windows updates shafted my internet browser's connection to the web). Despite everything I still cant signal 0E62S through P1a into P1b. Clicking on S92 then S112 and finally S126 fails to set the intended route (S112 immediately drops out). Have also noticed that despite saving the TT with 5E62 speed set to 15mph (instead of 0mph) when I restart the sim it has reset to 0mph. Once I've worked out how to upload a saved scenario then I'll let you experts figure out what I'm doing wrong. Frustrating this one as I love SimSig in general, Sheffield in particular and this TT especially !! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 24/06/2011 at 23:21 #16969 | |
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Meld
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Sorry for not getting back on this any sooner but I've solved the problem at last - The following Timetables need activities editing 0E62s needs to be J:1E62 N:5E62 5E62 needs all its activities deleting but needs it Train type altering to Cl 08 + 3 Mk1s 1E62 then needs its stopping position altering to Near and its activities to J:0E62S DR:5E62 therefore 1E62 arrives in Sheffield 0E62S then joins to 1E62 and detaches the vans to form 5E62 Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 07/07/2011 at 23:43 #17366 | |
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Javelin395
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Hi Meld, Have now worked through this TT having made the changes to 1E62 / 5E62 / 0E62 and it worked beautifully. Many thanks for your help. Am now noticing issues with a few of the divides in that train enters platform OK, divides then overhangs platform blocking access to others. Apart from the issue with the HSTs terminating in P5 I can't find any mention of these issues in this thread. Will post later with train ID's that are affected. Can't understand why it's just me seeming to have these issues and therefore concerned I'm doing something wrong. I hate flagging up these issues because I think SimSig in general is great and this TT in particular is immense fun. Log in to reply |
| Sheffield 1983-1984 08/07/2011 at 07:34 #17367 | |
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Meld
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Javelin - the overhanging HST's are a known issue @ 220m they should fit the platform easily Andy G suggested that tthe incoming London HST's have their stopping position in P5 set to near and this does work, However 1S87 which requires a runround in 5 will not and will still stand foul after uncoupling (move the stock forward while the loco is running round ;)) HTH Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |