A little Mock-SimSig Fun!

Nah yeah, it's very useful and I learn plenty of things too!

I'll get Bridgnorth fixed asap!

and yeah the disc on the Stourport line was my mistake! haha got that fixed

Placing Bewdley South's homes was tricky with space so I just tried to squeeze it in where it fits! but don't worry I do know they are on the other side :)

and yeah I'd thought it could be "relief" too but the diagram on the SVR website references it as "Down loop Up" (and thanks it's the biggest I've made so far :P)

and yeah I did some reading on the Arley Token instrument, a strange arrangement whereas you say the box can be worked as a Ground frame for accessing the Yard without opening the box as a block post! and the token machine could "shut-in" trains. an odd arrangement certainly!


I'm aiming to make a steam era mock soon to try and see what kind of size I can do!
as I seem to have covered most of the "big" areas (don't worry AJ Kings X is on the list too still working on that one!) so wanna do some odl fashioned ones before going back to the smaller modern ones!

Nah yeah, it's very useful and I learn plenty of things too!

I'll get Bridgnorth fixed asap!

and yeah the disc on the Stourport line was my mistake! haha got that fixed

Placing Bewdley South's homes was tricky with space so I just tried to squeeze it in where it fits! but don't worry I do know they are on the other side :)

and yeah I'd thought it could be "relief" too but the diagram on the SVR website references it as "Down loop Up" (and thanks it's the biggest I've made so far :P)

and yeah I did some reading on the Arley Token instrument, a strange arrangement whereas you say the box can be worked as a Ground frame for accessing the Yard without opening the box as a block post! and the token machine could "shut-in" trains. an odd arrangement certainly!


I'm aiming to make a steam era mock soon to try and see what kind of size I can do!
as I seem to have covered most of the "big" areas (don't worry AJ Kings X is on the list too still working on that one!) so wanna do some odl fashioned ones before going back to the smaller modern ones!

elltrain3 in post 141587 said:

Nah yeah, it's very useful and I learn plenty of things too!

I'll get Bridgnorth fixed asap!

and yeah the disc on the Stourport line was my mistake! haha got that fixed

Placing Bewdley South's homes was tricky with space so I just tried to squeeze it in where it fits! but don't worry I do know they are on the other side :)

and yeah I'd thought it could be "relief" too but the diagram on the SVR website references it as "Down loop Up" (and thanks it's the biggest I've made so far :P)

and yeah I did some reading on the Arley Token instrument, a strange arrangement whereas you say the box can be worked as a Ground frame for accessing the Yard without opening the box as a block post! and the token machine could "shut-in" trains. an odd arrangement certainly!


I'm aiming to make a steam era mock soon to try and see what kind of size I can do!
as I seem to have covered most of the "big" areas (don't worry AJ Kings X is on the list too still working on that one!) so wanna do some odl fashioned ones before going back to the smaller modern ones!

Eardington is the wrong way round - the station and siding are on opposite sides of the line to where you’ve drawn them.

Also unless it’s been changed since I worked them ten years ago, there are no track circuits at Highley or Hampton Loade.

Arley had a Down Advanced Starter at the left end of the track circuit towards Highley situated on the right hand side of the line.

I've got one question about the signalling at Arley, approaching the station from Highley it appears that the main and the loop in the station are bi directional however while it's obvious for trains coming from Bewdley North to see which one they're being signalled into - there doesn't appear to be the same for trains coming from the Highley direction so my question is how do the drivers know the route is set into the loop or the main?

Shouldn't there be two main semaphone aspects on the signal just before Arley from the Highley direction together with the shunt signal for the yard or as I remember it a small dock siding.

ajax103 in post 141766 said:

I've got one question about the signalling at Arley, approaching the station from Highley it appears that the main and the loop in the station are bi directional however while it's obvious for trains coming from Bewdley North to see which one they're being signalled into - there doesn't appear to be the same for trains coming from the Highley direction so my question is how do the drivers know the route is set into the loop or the main?

Shouldn't there be two main semaphone aspects on the signal just before Arley from the Highley direction together with the shunt signal for the yard or as I remember it a small dock siding.

24 signal only reads onto the main. The loop isn't bidirectional, only the main, hence a signal arm, plus a disc for the yard.

Second, a new fresh one for Reading PSB, modelled in 2009 prior to any re-signalling work and for a relatively small sim, it would be busy with freight & passenger alike! with bi-di some really long T.C.s and theale yard it'd make an interesting sim!
Plus the Henley Branch is included!

I remember hearing that a Reading sim was in development but that was a few years back. I have heard nothing on that for a considerable time but it would be good if it came to fruition. Should it do so I wonder if Platforms 4A/4B will vanish from the Feltham sim and be replaced by an entry point.

Dave

I also wondered if somone could tell me what Theale G.F. works? it wasn't evident from the panel and i've not found much luck with photos of it!

So
1. what did it control?
2. did it survive the resignalling? or was it lost and made into hand points?

elltrain3 in post 141788 said:

I also wondered if somone could tell me what Theale G.F. works? it wasn't evident from the panel and i've not found much luck with photos of it!

So
1. what did it control?
2. did it survive the resignalling? or was it lost and made into hand points?

Photo of Theale "Groundframe" here: https://photos.signalling.org/picture?/23366/category/2565-theale

It controls the connection from Reception #2 into the ARC or BCI sidings (CMC/Cripple on your drawing), and the crossovers between the country ends of #1 Reception and #2 Reception.

On this screenshot of the Newbury desk simulator, the points are labelled 1b/1b, 2 and 3a/3b at the top right of the screen. https://photos.signalling.org/picture?/17458/category/1732-2015_october_simulator

As you can see from the simulator screenshot, it has survived into TVSC days.

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To the rest of your mockup, it's good; there's a few bits that aren't quite right though.

You've shown some the signals as Autos, which are actually controlled – R881 approaching Aldermaston Up Westbury, R885 between Towney and Ufton Up Westbury, R161 Above Kennet Loop on Up Relief (next to Up Relief Label), and R163 next signal to the right of that.

You've then got signals with auto buttons that didn't have Auto working in real life – none of the signals at Southcote (369/348), Reading West Station (373/375/346), the signals between West Junction and Reading Station (44/47/144/147), on your drawing the 2 signals approaching Reading on the Down Main (36/28), the signal at New Junction that routes to Up Main or towards Spur Junction (57), or the signal on the Down Relief above that (128). The Autos that remain should be WR-style "Group" Autos like the Welsh sims, groups below:

ALDERMASTON
Up Westbury: 881/885
Dn Westbury: 808

THEALE
Up Westbury: 887/895
Dn Westbury: 800/804

SCOURS LANE
Up Relief: 139/141/143
Dn Relief: 148
Up Main: 41/43
Dn Main: 48

SPUR JUNCTION (although you have off-simmed this bit)
Up Southern: 385
Dn Southern: 326/330

KENNET
Up Relief: 159/161/163
Dn Relief: 122/124/126

HENLEY BRANCH
300/301/306/307

TWYFORD WEST/TWYFORD
Up Relief: 169/171/173
Dn Relief: 110/112/114/116
Up Main: 69
Dn Main: 16

RUSCOMBE
Up Relief: 179/181
Dn Relief: 106
Up Main: 79
Dn Main: 6

I think you're missing a couple of Auto Signals:- DW37 on the Down Westbury after the crossover country end of Reading West, and DW39 on the Down Westbury after Southcote Junction.

UR30B (the green-onto-red Auto Signal at Ruscombe, Up Relief), is a split distant; like R41 at Pangbourne but flipped: https://photos.signalling.org/picture?/10840/category/994-ruscombe

R36 is missing its call-on, it should also have a red override roundel to enable the call-on (like some of the shunt overrides you see in other sims)

Triangle Sidings, wierdly, should only have an exit arrow for the "Out" line; the "In" line is long out of use in the "era" you've mocked up. It also has a slot https://photos.signalling.org/picture?/9666/category/810-2010_may_theale_area_removed

Similarly there should only be one exit arrow for the Engine Line, and 1 exit signal – the point between the two lines was a spring point.

Obviously it's a compromise because you've gone with Feltham retaining control of the Southern, but there isn't a slot towards Spur Junction. On a historical note; that has always been controlled from Reading Panel; since the stations were amalgamated in the 1960s.

Platform 6 the platform should be on both sides like 7 is.

That's all I can find for now, but I have to go to work!

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As to Reading sim in development – as Broodje alludes to it would be easier from scratch, unfortunately. There was a very old sim that was tried to be brought up to modern/loader standards; but there was too much "wrong" with it from present-day accuracy standards. I then started a new Reading sim from scratch a couple of years ago but in short I wasn't able to devote enough of my time to it; so development was ceased. Perhaps one day someone else can lift the Reading sim curse!

I'll take a look at the Slough mock up when I get home...

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I'll take a look at the Slough mock up when I get home...

So i said I'd put 2 new ones up today, well that was sort of a lie as here is a 3RD!

Slough PSB (Not IECC...that comes later )

A solo sim, simply being a 4-track ML with Main & Relief lines
Plenty of branches, with Marlow/Bourne End, the Windsor Shuttle plus the Freight branch at West Drayton
Would be rather a fun little sim for a solo player, very busy and intense but plenty of Auto buttons to help ease the process

Again simulated in it's 2009 state before the re-signalling started for eventual migration into the TVSC

Good work Eliot.

Your mock ups are really very well presented. I can't think of any presentation that I have made where I have had to proof check more the half a dozen times, and still somethings slip by, We're only human. haha. Keep your passion for this and enjoy it. I'm thoroughly impressed with your drawings as are many others within the community. You'll always get some nit picking, at least you're producing. ;-) Keep it up dude.

Craig