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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 12:12 #142931 | |
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flabberdacks in post 142929 said:Albert in post 142892 said:The entry time for the loco could be amended, but light locos from Saltley LIP have the same problem as units running ECS from Tyseley T&RSMD. In the WTT all the ECS workings from Tyseley T&RSMD go into Small Heath Loop for anything up to 10 mins. Due to the fact that the Small Heath Loop location isn't in the list of New Street locations it can't be physically timetabled to be held there until its booked time hence the reason why all Cl.5 trains from Tyseley T&RSMD enter early. The same thing occurs in respect of locos off Saltley LIP. The entry location for trains entering on the Derby Lines is Water Orton & funny enough the running time of 7 minutes between Water Orton & the 1st location being Landor Street Jn is the same amount of time for a loco to come off Saltley LIP, driver to change ends in the 'Bank Engine' sdg & then proceed towards New Street. These issues would only be fixed once I've written the summer 1990 Saltley TT{sometime in 2022] to chain to New Street whereby users on Saltley would be able to regulate loco off Saltley LIP & Cl.5 trains off Tyseley T&RSMD by using the actual track available on the Saltley sim & also regualte accordingly. This is probably the only sim whereby this problem occurs bearing in mind other locations on the doorstep of the main station have locations whereby movements are held, but aren't actually controlled by the sim which has the main station on it. I did aska dev when I started writing this TT whether it was worth writing 2 versions of the TT, one as a stand alone & another for when chained, but they said no just add the times in from the WTT which is what was done, & as a result this is why you have these kind of issues. Another one is 1N03 which is a van train from Northampton which is booked to stand in Tile Hill loop for along time(IIRC around 20+ minutes), but again due to Tile Hill loop not being on the New Street list of locations as it is on & controlled by Coventry playing the New Street TT on its own it's down to the person to regulate that train as best he can by putting in a free platform at Birmingham Int'l without delaying anything else in that area[not easy I know]. Ultimately 1N03 goes into P1 at New Street & splits, so it would be a case of seeing when P1 is available to take 1N03 early. Obviously having Coventry chained removes this issue & the same will be the case in the future regarding locos entering from Saltley LIP. Until then its a case of the user using the track available to regualte traffic as best he can.Some of the loco timings are fairly random. You can't attach 0V96 before 0S64 is out in any case. As long as the loco is on the train by the time it wants to depart (at 14:06) it won't be a problem.Completely agree, but the loco that needs to be held until it can join enters from Saltley with a couple of trains right behind it. Nowhere to park the incoming loco to allow trains behind to pass, without abandoning table and using one of the station sidings. That was just why I suggested adjusting the entry time for 0V96. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: flabberdacks |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 13:52 #142934 | |
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58050 in post 142509 said:BIRMINGHAM NEW STREET 13th May 1990 - 28th September 1990 Monday to FridayThanks for the thanks but it's ajax103, ta Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 14:12 #142936 | |
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Hi folks nice timetable. Is there a list of possible shunt routes please like whats their for Clive's Euston sim ? What looks like possible from main signals doesnt seem to be for loco reverses ( and thats even with VIA buttons being used )
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 14:50 #142937 | |
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Which specific route are you missing? There are a few routes unavailable (P8-12 to LOS1 on the Up Stour, I have been told that this is according to real life so not a bug) and the route into P6 via "D" fails to clear in the current sim version, but other than that I was albe to route all locos. AJP in games Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 15:02 #142941 | |
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oh nearly all of them ! NS242 Holliday st tnl to 1sg for example its almost impossible to figure out that its 242-D-224-197 and not the obvious 242-D-197 . Maybe its just me but I would need a list to get familiar with it so I am not random-clicking it while under pressure . As I said, Clive did this for Euston - see http://www.davros.org/rail/SimSig/euston-manual.html
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 15:12 #142942 | |
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You don't need to use that route, you can also use 242-B-238-C-224-197. Almost everything is possible, via any via button, you just need to route one shunt signal at a time if you're starting from a shunt signal. The shunt signals aren't preset if you don't start at a main signal. And there are a few signals (indicated by the stem extending between the tracks) such as 153, 166, 224, and 238 that apply to two tracks leading into the same set of points. AJP in games Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 15:59 #142944 | |
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slatteryc in post 142936 said:Hi folks nice timetable. Is there a list of possible shunt routes please like whats their for Clive's Euston sim ? What looks like possible from main signals doesnt seem to be for loco reverses ( and thats even with VIA buttons being used )Glad you are enjoting the timetable. However the answer from me is no there isn't a list of possible shunts that are available to run this TT. I only wrote the timetable, but the various shunt moves for locos & van shunts were all done by 2 other users & if one were to be created then it would be down to one of them to do it. I am aware of several users who are actually attempting to run through this TT & I'd say the best way to find out if a route is available is to post it on here. Like Albert has replied & I know he's actually completed the TT from midnight to midnight on his own. It might not be the answer you were looking for, but in all honesty I'm too busy writing/updating timetables to break from that to create a document relating to all the shunt movements. When we were testing this timetable I was always on the north panel & that for me on a personal basis is the one I like the most. I've never fancied working centre & like some people I know who worked in New Street PSB during the BR era all said that none of the signallers liked covering the Centre panel & they'd avoid it like the plague. But obviously one of them had to cover it. Once all the issues raised have been sorted out a new version of this TT will be sent for moderator approval & I'll post on here when that is available. Last edited: 16/12/2021 at 16:01 by 58050 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 16:33 #142945 | |
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58050 in post 142931 said:Won't this be something. I'm keen! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Banners88 |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 16/12/2021 at 19:58 #142950 | |
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58050 in post 142931 said:Another one is 1N03 which is a van train from Northampton which is booked to stand in Tile Hill loop for along time(IIRC around 20+ minutes)Just to confirm 1N03's stop at International is for regulation only? Would it be possible to include any extra info in the TT on mandated dwell times for Postal/Parcel trains at New Street and any connections that need to be maintained? - "Where's that Holyhead stuff?..." In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 18/12/2021 at 22:50 #143003 | |
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After the first minute I need to get a train into Soho Depot. But there seems to be no obvious route from signal NS312 into a reverse sidings. I had to run the train all the way down to Smethwick and then reverse it. There must be a simpler way of doing this. Can anyone help here ?
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 18/12/2021 at 22:54 #143004 | |
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Ray in post 143003 said:After the first minute I need to get a train into Soho Depot. But there seems to be no obvious route from signal NS312 into a reverse sidings. I had to run the train all the way down to Smethwick and then reverse it. There must be a simpler way of doing this. Can anyone help here ?You need to click the red arrow at NS312 > SB1, then SB1 > Rev Siding exit arrow "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 19/12/2021 at 18:08 #143018 | |
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Hi I had an access violation while running this sim loader 5.17.2 sim data 5.4 couple of snaps and the error message attached . problem occurred at 0307 Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 22/12/2021 at 23:00 #143074 | |
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Birmingham NS must be the most frustrating sim of all. Route setting is generally back to front in the station area. I got to around 5.30 without much problem then I was confronted with empty stock trying to get to SG1 from Coventry side. It is like trying to guess the combination of a lock. Still havent worked it out and I have tried so many moves to create a path to SG1. Seems so complicated and incredibly frustrating !
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 23/12/2021 at 02:49 #143075 | |
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Birmingham New Street used the very first version of a geographic interlocking (I can't remember if it's Westpac or GE) so some of the controls are primitive and hard to learn. We aim to bring you maximum torture, just like the real thing. I've extracted a route list with via buttons. Maybe somebody can sort it and make it more accessible. There may be a few off-screen routes there too. Each line is of the form <FromSignal> [<ViaSignals>] <ToSignal>. Where there is, for example, NS243 as a from signal and CX as the to signal, in this case you can't set that particular route in this way (it's a dummy "signal" for SimSig purposes). Instead, there should be another entry where the from signal is of the form 243S (via B to NS186): this will be the red shunting triangle. NS11 NS22 NS11 NS23 NS11 NS24 NS11 25S NS11 NS26 NS12 MX NS12 NS22 NS12 22S NS12 NS22 NS12 MX NS12 NS23 NS12 23S NS12 NS23 NS12 NS24 NS12 25S 12S NS25 NS12 26S NS12 NS26 NS12 26S NS127 NS137 NS127 NS138 NS128 NS137 NS128 NS138 NS128 NS138 NS128 NS143 NS128 NS138 NS129 NS139 NS129 NS143 NS130 NS138 NS130 NS138 NS130 NS143 NS130 NS138 NS130 NS139 NS13 NS12 NS132 NS94 NS132 SY201 NS133 NS82 NS133 NS132 NS133 NS132 NS135 NS438 NS135 NS94 NS136 NS83 NS136 NS135 NS136 NS94 NS136 SY201 NS137 NS139 NS138 NS139 NS139 NS151 NS141 NS139 NS141 NS144 NS142 NS136 NS143 NS144 NS144 NS151 NS144 NS154 NS146 NS82 NS146 NS132 NS147 NS153 NS147 NS192 NS147 NS194 NS147 NS196 NS147 NS201 NS147 NS203 NS147 VIAE NS198 NS148 NS135 NS148 NS82 NS148 NS133 NS148 NS142 NS148 NS133 NS149 NS135 NS149 NS82 NS149 NS133 NS149 NS142 NS151 CX 151S 157X NS151 NS182 NS151 NS182 NS151 NS183 NS151 NS183 NS151 184S NS151 NS184 NS151 CX 151S NS216 NS151 NS187 NS151 NS187 NS151 NS189 NS151 NS189 NS151 CX 151S NS222 NS151 NS192 NS151 NS192 NS152 NS156 NS152 NS184 NS152 NS153 NS153 NS184 NS153 NS184 NS153 NS216 NS153 NS216 NS153 NS187 NS153 NS187 NS153 NS189 NS153 NS189 NS153 NS222 NS153 NS222 NS153 NS192 NS153 NS192 NS154 NS203 NS154 NS203 NS154 VIAE NS198 NS154 VIAE NS198 NS154 VIAF NS198 NS154 VIAF NS198 NS154 VIAF NS199 NS154 VIAF NS199 NS154 VIAF NS205 NS154 VIAF NS205 NS154 184S NS154 NS184 NS154 CX 154S NS216 NS154 NS187 NS154 NS187 NS154 NS189 NS154 NS189 NS154 CX 154S NS222 NS154 NS192 NS154 NS192 NS154 NS194 NS154 NS194 NS154 CX 154S NS196 NS154 NS201 NS154 NS201 NS155 NS153 NS155 NS192 NS155 NS194 NS155 NS196 NS155 NS201 NS155 NS203 NS155 NS198 NS155 NS199 NS155 NS205 NS156 157X NS156 NS182 NS156 NS183 NS156 NS184 NS157 NS159 NS158 NS159 NS159 CX 159S NS160 NS159 NS148 NS159 CX 159S NS148 NS161 NS159 NS16 CX 16S LOS3 NS162 CX 162S NS160 NS162 NS148 NS162 CX 162S NS148 NS16 NS412 NS16 CX 16S NS412 NS163 NS162 NS163 NS149 NS163 CX 163S NS149 NS163 CX 163S NS150 NS164 NS166 NS165 NS148 NS165 CX 165S 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NS194 NS225 NS195 172S NS195 NS172 NS196 NS227 NS196 NS228 NS197 NS173 NS198 232S NS198 NS232 NS199 233S NS199 NS233 NS201 228S NS201 NS228 NS202 NS176 NS202 NS176 202S NS173 NS202 CX NS203 231S NS203 NS231 NS204 NS174 NS204 NS174 NS205 240S NS205 NS240 NS206 NS207 NS206 NS207 NS207 NS178 NS208 179S NS208 NS179 NS209 181S NS209 NS181 NS211 VIAA NS452 NS211 VIAB NS452 NS211 NS471 NS21 CX 21S LOS3 NS212 VIAA NS452 NS212 VIAA CX 212S VIAA NS452 NS212 VIAB CX 212S VIAB NS452 NS212 NS471 NS212 CX 212S NS471 NS21 NS412 NS21 CX 21S NS412 NS213 NS158 NS213 211X NS214 VIAA NS452 NS214 VIAA CX 214S VIAA NS452 NS214 VIAB CX 214S VIAB NS452 NS214 NS471 NS214 CX 214S NS471 NS215 VIAA NS452 NS215 VIAA CX 215S VIAA NS452 NS215 VIAB CX 215S VIAB NS452 NS215 NS471 NS215 CX 215S NS471 NS216 NS218 NS217 NS218 NS218 VIAA NS452 NS218 VIAA CX 218S VIAA NS452 NS218 VIAB CX 218S VIAB NS452 NS218 NS471 NS218 CX 218S NS471 NS219 NS221 NS221 VIAB NS452 NS221 VIAB CX 221S VIAB NS452 NS221 NS471 NS221 CX 221S NS471 NS22 NS417 NS22 CX 22S NS417 NS222 NS221 NS22 CX 22S LOS2 NS223 VIAB VIAC NS452 NS223 VIAB VIAC CX 223S VIAB VIAC NS452 NS223 VIAC NS471 NS223 VIAC CX 223S VIAC NS471 NS223 VIAD NS471 NS223 VIAD CX 223S VIAD NS471 NS223 VIAG LOS1 223S VIAG LOS1 NS223 VIAG NS471 NS223 VIAG CX 223S VIAG NS471 NS224 NS197 NS224 NS197 NS224 NS195 NS224 NS195 NS224 NS193 NS224 NS193 NS225 NS226 NS226 VIAB VIAC NS452 NS226 VIAB VIAC CX 226S VIAB VIAC NS452 NS226 VIAC NS471 NS226 VIAC CX 226S VIAC NS471 NS226 VIAD NS471 NS226 VIAD CX 226S VIAD NS471 NS226 VIAG LOS1 226S VIAG LOS1 NS226 VIAG NS471 NS226 VIAG CX 226S VIAG NS471 NS227 NS226 NS228 VIAD NS452 NS228 VIAD CX 228S VIAD NS452 NS228 VIAD NS471 NS228 VIAD CX 228S VIAD NS471 NS228 VIAG CX 228S VIAG LOS1 NS228 VIAG NS471 NS228 VIAG CX 228S VIAG NS471 NS229 NS471 NS229 CX NS229 NS471 229S NS471 NS229 CX 229S LOS1 NS229 LOS1 NS231 NS471 NS231 CX 231S NS471 NS231 CX 231S LOS1 NS23 NS417 NS23 CX 23S NS417 NS232 NS471 NS232 CX 232S NS471 NS232 CX 232S LOS1 NS23 CX 23S LOS2 NS233 NS471 NS233 CX NS233 CX 233S LOS1 233S NS471 NS234 VIAA NS452 NS235 VIAA NS452 NS236 NS185 NS236 NS161 NS236 NS213 NS237 NS188 NS237 NS186 NS237 NS236 NS237 235X NS237 234X NS238 NS236 NS238 NS236 NS238 NS161 NS238 NS185 NS238 NS186 NS238 NS186 NS238 NS188 NS238 NS188 NS238 NS191 NS238 NS191 NS238 NS169 NS238 NS169 NS238 VIAC NS224 NS238 VIAC NS224 NS240 NS471 NS240 CX NS240 CX 240S LOS1 240S NS471 NS241 NS238 NS241 VIAD NS202 NS241 VIAD NS224 NS241 229X NS241 NS204 NS241 NS206 NS241 NS208 NS241 VIAG NS202 NS241 VIAG NS224 NS24 NS417 NS24 CX 24S NS417 NS242 VIAA NS237 NS242 VIAB NS238 NS242 VIAD NS224 NS242 VIAD NS202 NS24 CX NS24 CX 24S LOS2 NS243 VIAB 211X NS243 VIAB VIAC NS195 NS243 VIAB VIAC NS195 243S VIAB VIAC NS195 NS243 VIAB VIAC CX 243S VIAB VIAC NS197 NS243 VIAD NS202 NS243 VIAD NS202 243S VIAD NS202 243S VIAB 211X NS243 VIAB NS158 NS243 VIAB NS158 243S VIAB NS158 NS243 VIAB NS161 NS243 VIAB NS161 243S VIAB NS161 NS243 VIAB NS185 NS243 VIAB NS185 243S VIAB NS185 NS243 VIAB CX 243S VIAB NS186 NS243 VIAB NS188 NS243 VIAB NS188 243S VIAB NS188 NS243 VIAB NS191 NS243 VIAB NS191 243S VIAB NS191 NS243 VIAB CX 243S VIAB NS169 NS243 VIAB VIAC NS193 NS243 VIAB VIAC NS193 243S VIAB VIAC NS193 NS244 CX NS244 VIAG NS195 NS244 VIAG NS195 244S VIAG NS195 NS244 VIAG CX 244S VIAG NS197 NS244 VIAG NS202 NS244 VIAG NS202 244S VIAG NS202 NS244 229X NS244 229X NS244 CX 244S 229X NS244 NS204 NS244 NS204 244S NS204 NS244 NS206 NS244 NS206 244S NS206 NS244 NS208 NS244 NS208 244S NS208 NS244 NS209 NS244 NS209 244S NS209 244S 211X NS244 NS158 NS244 NS158 244S NS158 NS244 NS161 NS244 NS161 244S NS161 NS244 NS185 NS244 NS185 244S NS185 NS244 CX 244S NS186 NS244 NS188 NS244 NS188 244S NS188 NS244 NS191 NS244 NS191 244S NS191 NS244 CX 244S NS169 NS244 VIAG NS193 NS244 VIAG NS193 244S VIAG NS193 NS245 NS244 NS246 NS255 NS246 NS241 NS247 SY56 NS248 NS453 NS249 NS453 NS251 SY56 NS25 417CX 25S NS417 NS25 LOS2 25S LOS2 NS254 NS260 NS254 NS261 NS255 NS238 NS255 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SB2 NS320 SB2 318X SJ20 NS342 SY83 SY87 SY85 SY87 SY87 NS127 SY87 NS127 SY87 NS130 SY87 NS130 NS133 NS94 NS133 SY201 NS134 NS133 NS135 NS438 NS135 NS94 NS137 NS151 NS138 NS137 NS138 NS143 NS139 NS143 NS141 NS143 NS143 NS151 NS143 NS154 NS144 NS151 NS144 NS154 NS145 NS151 NS146 NS135 NS146 NS82 NS146 NS133 NS82 NS443 I've added a Mantis idea ticket (35339) to allow users to get this list directly in the sim. 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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 23/12/2021 at 08:31 #143077 | |
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Euston was also Westpac I believe. It was certainly the case that, when setting a series of shunt routes, you had to start with the one furthest from where the train was standing and set each route in turn working towards the train (in other words each route was set towards a shunt signal that was already clear). Whether that was inherent in Westpac locking or just a feature of Euston I have no idea. It did have the merit, though, that when a loco was being moved from one platform to another, the drivers simply headed out as far as they were signalled then looked back at each shunt signal as they passed it; the moment one cleared they stopped and set back into the station (a feature I don't think Simsig can emulate).
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 23/12/2021 at 08:58 #143078 | |
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I've had a lot of fun learning how to route-set in the sim all over again, having never used the old layout. I set routes in reverse back towards the train at Proof House quite a bit, to avoid the extra click of manual overlap selection.
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 23/12/2021 at 11:41 #143079 | |
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When I've spoken to a couple of friends who knew the Birmingham New Street PSB, they've both said none of the signallers at New Street PSB liked manning the centre panel. They all avoidied it, but unfortunately someone had to do it otherwise the trains wouldn't have run. I can imagine the signallers racing to get to the panel first for shift change overs so they could avoid centre panel as best they could.
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 23/12/2021 at 12:00 #143080 | |
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58050 in post 143079 said:When I've spoken to a couple of friends who knew the Birmingham New Street PSB, they've both said none of the signallers at New Street PSB liked manning the centre panel. They all avoidied it, but unfortunately someone had to do it otherwise the trains wouldn't have run. I can imagine the signallers racing to get to the panel first for shift change overs so they could avoid centre panel as best they could.It wouldn't be a free-for-all at shift change, the panels are rostered. At Derby you would start the week for instance on the West, then Centre the next day, North (before it merged with the Centre) the day after, then back to the West. When the panels were separately graded briefly in the 1990's you were stuck with the same panel every day, which made it difficult sometimes to get Centre men to work 12hrs or RDW as 8 hours were enough (meal relief had gone by then as well so it was a full 8 hrs, sometimes pushing buttons with one hand while holding a sandwich in the other). Last edited: 23/12/2021 at 12:06 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 29/12/2021 at 14:05 #143179 | |
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I am up to 13:20 - this is an excellent timetable. After learning the frustration of getting the shunt routes correct especially for platforms 5,6,7 nearly all the problems are minor except for 1 in a light engine attaching to ECS it (the LE) nearly always stops in the wrong place along the platform when joining , and since it is so busy I don't notice till well after it should have TRTS'd , and then have to abandon/shunt forward/pick up timetable again before it will join, all the while usually two or three trains standing in a throat This is with the correct LE attaching to the correct rake, in the correct platform in the correct part of the platform as per TT at the correct time ; too many trains to mention have the issue. Very frustrating - carlisle doesn't do this at all. Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 29/12/2021 at 15:37 #143181 | |
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slatteryc in post 143179 said:I am up to 13:20 - this is an excellent timetable. After learning the frustration of getting the shunt routes correct especially for platforms 5,6,7 nearly all the problems are minor except for 1This is currently being looked at & there maybe a way round this issue. I'm not doing this another user is & he's still investigating the issue. I only found out about this myself yesterday. When the updated version of this TT is released items raised on this thread should hopefully be reduced in number. Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 05/02/2022 at 14:58 #145012 | |
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OK so after a couple of runs through the following is my review. I always play single player and this should be kept in mind. 1. This is in my top 3 timetables now - Trent out of the box timetable, Carlisle 1980, and this 2. Its busy right off the bat and also even busier at night just when you think you have a handle on the TT 3. Initial frustrations learning the locking in this era are by and large surmountable 4. Its badly let down by the following a) Light engines not stopping and joining correctly b) Huge amount of stock having the same headcode especially ECS 5G52 and 5H50 makes it almost impossible to figure out which is which especially for changing round TTs , at one point I must have had 6 5G52s in play queued up for the depot and this also being the busiest period c) Engine changes with the same headcode 0M31 off and 0M31 on - Carlisle 80s TT doesn't have this problem and it makes a huge difference even if the loco coming off could get a random code it would be less confusing. Well done to the writers though. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 05/02/2022 at 15:29 #145013 | |
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slatteryc in post 145012 said:OK so after a couple of runs through the following is my review. I always play single player and this should be kept in mind.This TT has been amended since release & some issues like you have mentioned suchas the stock & light locos having the same TDs has been cut down or completely changed so this issue when the revised TT has been released shouldn't be such a factor. There have also been a few additional trains added to this TT which have to come light whilst I'm writing the Wolverhampton summer 1990 TT which is due to have a chain test on Thursday 10th February for the 1st time as most of the issues raised on mantis have now been fixed. In due course when I write the Saltley summer 1990 TT this will improve the light locos running between Saltley LIP & New Street & VV. The problem on New Street is the fact that you have to use the entry location Water Orton for all the light locos coming from Saltley, but in reality cos the driver on an inbound diesel would need to change ends at Saltley the amount of time it takes to enter the sim would be roughly the same as if the loco had entered from Water Orton. If the TT writer[me] in this case were to add times for light loco movements most of which would be guesstimates as most light loco movements don't appear in the WTT & unless you have the actual loco diagram it's hard to do accurately. In any event I'm glad you liked it as it's not an easy TT to play on your own. I'll announce in due course when the new TT version has been released. You've joined a small group of users that have played through this TT on their own & that's something I've not done, too busy writing TTs I'm afraid. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: bossman |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 05/02/2022 at 23:03 #145033 | |
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I didnt notice LE entry times messing me up at all
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Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 05/02/2022 at 23:52 #145034 | |
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slatteryc in post 145033 said:I didnt notice LE entry times messing me up at allSome of the issues you raised have been fied. The issue regarding the positioning of some locos in the platform & doesn't join the stock I'm told in most cases can be fixed by making sure the signal between the A & B platforms is showing a proceed aspect the loco will in virtually all cases join without a problem. The light locos having the same TDs has also been rectified. So hopefully when you play this TT after the next release you should find it somewhat easier. You're more than welcome to join the chaining test session with Wolverhampton & Coventry thi Thursday if you wish & see for yourself. Log in to reply |
Birmingham New Street Summer 1990 TT 06/02/2022 at 12:55 #145040 | |
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Something I forgot to mention in an earlier post regarding slatteryc's comment about trains having the same TD such as 5H50 & 5G52. That isn't done intentionally, they are what all ecs movements to either Tyseley T&RSMD[5H50] & Soho DED[5G52] are described as & have been since the 1970s if not before. It's a similar thing to the list of light engine headcodes where locos are TD to specific TD when they are going to specific places. All ECS moves from New Street to either Tyseley Sdgs or Soho DED are described like that no exceptions, except for Derby RTC movements that have a trat have a special traffic notice allocated to them with their own independant TD. Tyseley men have a nickname at New Street as the '5H50' club the reference in the nickname as to where they are going & what depot they beong to. It's something you'll never forget when playing the summer 1990 New Street TT 5H50 is for Tyseley & 5G52 is for Soho.
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