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Derby New Station Layout. 17/02/2023 at 09:21 #150505
JamesDaniel
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40 posts 		Hiya,

Derby in 2018 went under huge procedures to redevelop the station with 1 platform being added and 1 being taken out with all the signalling and tracks being upgraded. It’s been transferred to the EMCC (east midland control centre) and I was just wondering if there was any plans for derby to have a new era?

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Derby New Station Layout. 17/02/2023 at 09:32 #150506
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265 posts 		I think your answer can be found here.

As a side note, I've just noticed on those diagrams that there's no easy route from platforms 1 & 2 to the rest of the station or sidings. Interesting design choice - it makes P1&2 almost a seperate station.
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Derby New Station Layout. 17/02/2023 at 10:39 #150507
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40 posts 		Also… is Trent in process of being turned into loader format because then we can chain a few things together and that’d be cool.
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Derby New Station Layout. 17/02/2023 at 10:50 #150508
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1432 posts 		MrSuttonmann in post 150506 said:


As a side note, I've just noticed on those diagrams that there's no easy route from platforms 1 & 2 to the rest of the station or sidings. Interesting design choice - it makes P1&2 almost a seperate station.
Makes some sense operationally, P1/P2 for Birmingham - Sheffield, P3/P4/P5 for local reversals (Crewe - Nottingham etc) P6/P7 London - Sheffield.

Bad aspect is P1 is far easier access and facilities, not to mention better sheltered yet sees fewer trains.
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Derby New Station Layout. 17/02/2023 at 12:47 #150509
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40 posts 		bill_gensheet in post 150508 said:
MrSuttonmann in post 150506 said:


As a side note, I've just noticed on those diagrams that there's no easy route from platforms 1 & 2 to the rest of the station or sidings. Interesting design choice - it makes P1&2 almost a seperate station.
Makes some sense operationally, P1/P2 for Birmingham - Sheffield, P3/P4/P5 for local reversals (Crewe - Nottingham etc) P6/P7 London - Sheffield.

Bad aspect is P1 is far easier access and facilities, not to mention better sheltered yet sees fewer trains.
P7 is only used for ECS moves… no one knows why but why was there any point of making it because there must be under 20 psgr trains that have used it.
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Derby New Station Layout. 17/02/2023 at 14:44 #150510
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675 posts 		bill_gensheet in post 150508 said:
MrSuttonmann in post 150506 said:


As a side note, I've just noticed on those diagrams that there's no easy route from platforms 1 & 2 to the rest of the station or sidings. Interesting design choice - it makes P1&2 almost a seperate station.
Makes some sense operationally, P1/P2 for Birmingham - Sheffield, P3/P4/P5 for local reversals (Crewe - Nottingham etc) P6/P7 London - Sheffield.

Bad aspect is P1 is far easier access and facilities, not to mention better sheltered yet sees fewer trains.
P1/P2 - NE/SW
P3/P4 - Primarily reversals but can be used by NE/SW and London - Sheffield (the only two platforms which can be accessed by both routes)
P5/P6 - London - Sheffield
P7 - Saw regular use during the remodelling in 2018 but is not in regular passenger use now. It is what was the Pilot Sdg on the old layout.
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Derby New Station Layout. 18/02/2023 at 07:54 #150523
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380 posts 		JamesDaniel in post 150509 said:

P7 is only used for ECS moves… no one knows why but why was there any point of making it because there must be under 20 psgr trains that have used it.
I'm sure somebody must know why!
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Derby New Station Layout. 18/02/2023 at 11:32 #150525
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410 posts 		andyallen4014 in post 150523 said:
JamesDaniel in post 150509 said:

P7 is only used for ECS moves… no one knows why but why was there any point of making it because there must be under 20 psgr trains that have used it.
I'm sure somebody must know why!
Probably for operational benefits. Easier to change ends walking along a platform than walking through the train or on the ballast (less STF hazards).
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Derby New Station Layout. 18/02/2023 at 18:28 #150531
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699 posts 		JamesDaniel in post 150509 said:


P7 is only used for ECS moves… no one knows why but why was there any point of making it because there must be under 20 psgr trains that have used it.

It's not a passenger line, because there's no protection against movements coming out of sidings without authority at either Etches Park depot or Chaddesden - otherwise, they'd need trap points or some form of flank protection.
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Derby New Station Layout. 18/02/2023 at 19:05 #150532
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4869 posts 		JamesDaniel in post 150509 said:
bill_gensheet in post 150508 said:
MrSuttonmann in post 150506 said:


As a side note, I've just noticed on those diagrams that there's no easy route from platforms 1 & 2 to the rest of the station or sidings. Interesting design choice - it makes P1&2 almost a seperate station.
Makes some sense operationally, P1/P2 for Birmingham - Sheffield, P3/P4/P5 for local reversals (Crewe - Nottingham etc) P6/P7 London - Sheffield.

Bad aspect is P1 is far easier access and facilities, not to mention better sheltered yet sees fewer trains.
P7 is only used for ECS moves… no one knows why but why was there any point of making it because there must be under 20 psgr trains that have used it.
It was built primarily to allow Derby station to be served during the remodelling works, it was built on a goods line it had dispensation for passenger use throughout the works. Since the works are now over it is only used occasionally and there's specific rulebook requirements around passenger trains on goods lines.

It does now see use by staff for internal carriage cleaning, and allows easy access for those events. Whether this was intended originally, or just a happy side affect I don't know.
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Derby New Station Layout. 18/02/2023 at 22:58 #150539
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3701 posts 		JamesDaniel in post 150509 said:

P7 is only used for ECS moves… no one knows why but why was there any point of making it because there must be under 20 psgr trains that have used it.
Almost certainly still a better record than Ramsline halt!
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Derby New Station Layout. 19/02/2023 at 17:44 #150562
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29 posts 		bill_gensheet in post 150508 said:
MrSuttonmann in post 150506 said:


As a side note, I've just noticed on those diagrams that there's no easy route from platforms 1 & 2 to the rest of the station or sidings. Interesting design choice - it makes P1&2 almost a seperate station.
Makes some sense operationally, P1/P2 for Birmingham - Sheffield, P3/P4/P5 for local reversals (Crewe - Nottingham etc) P6/P7 London - Sheffield.

Bad aspect is P1 is far easier access and facilities, not to mention better sheltered yet sees fewer trains.
actually platform 5 is used for sheffield to london and for some matlock trains
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Derby New Station Layout. 22/02/2023 at 08:17 #150605
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40 posts 		Ramsline Halt/St andrews has been shut for many years. The platform itself is still there but track has now gone.
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