A little Mock-SimSig Fun!

and a very long Inverness sim complete! the amount of crossings is just mad! you'd be on the phone all the time! haha

Steamer in post 137868 said:

My take on the S&C:

Blea Moor's UGL starter is BM19.

and a very long Inverness sim complete! the amount of crossings is just mad! you'd be on the phone all the time! haha

peterb in post 137880 said:

Steamer in post 137868 said:

My take on the S&C:

Blea Moor's UGL starter is BM19.

Cheers, the photos of that box weren't as clear as some of the others.

Does anyone know if Settle Jn has an annunciator on the Carnforth line? It's not marked on the box diagram as far as I can tell, but equally I can't imagine they just pull off and pray given the length of the section.

The background operation at Dingwall, from the Scot-Rail group
>>
They work when the plunger on the platform is pressed to set the desired route at
the junction. The track circuit in the platform has to be occupied to complete the
operation, when either B for Branch (Kyle) or M for Main (North) will appear in the
theatre route indicator, along with the steady PSI light and flashing blue TPWS
light.
For trains entering Dingwall from the north or from Kyle, they occupy track circuits
which set the junction points. When they and the hydraulically sprung points loop
points are detected in the correct position the PSI on the approach to the junction
will illuminate.
<<

Since then the yellow / off PSI has become a yellow / flashing red PSI

Also you'd need to cope with the 'loop clear' phone call from the driver
or replicate invisibly via track circuiting. This allows a Kyle train to depart while a Wick train is still between Dingwall and Evanton IB / Invergordon.

I think it has been said before that any actual FNL SimSig is more likely be pre-RETB.

Bill

and a very long Inverness sim complete! the amount of crossings is just mad! you'd be on the phone all the time! haha

Steamer in post 137885 said:

peterb in post 137880 said:

Steamer in post 137868 said:

My take on the S&C:

Blea Moor's UGL starter is BM19.

Cheers, the photos of that box weren't as clear as some of the others.

Does anyone know if Settle Jn has an annunciator on the Carnforth line? It's not marked on the box diagram as far as I can tell, but equally I can't imagine they just pull off and pray given the length of the section.

Do shout if you want any more info regarding BM - it became my specialist subject during Lockdown.

No annunciator as far as I know either, but there's about 400 yards between SJ7 and SJ8 - might that be sufficient?

The only other thing that crossed my mind at Blea Moor was whether the Timber/VQ siding could be accessed from the north; for some reason I had it in my head that a working from Carlisle ran to it at some point, but looking at the diagram there's nothing to allow it.

The sectional appendix shows a 15mph limit over Settle Junction from Carnforth, I wonder if the distant isn't worked in practice during busy periods (assuming no annunciator, and I agree it seems likely there is one) as a clear distant is of limited value when the train has be slowed right down anyway.

peterb in post 137890 said:

Steamer in post 137885 said:

peterb in post 137880 said:

Steamer in post 137868 said:

My take on the S&C:

Blea Moor's UGL starter is BM19.

Cheers, the photos of that box weren't as clear as some of the others.

Does anyone know if Settle Jn has an annunciator on the Carnforth line? It's not marked on the box diagram as far as I can tell, but equally I can't imagine they just pull off and pray given the length of the section.

Do shout if you want any more info regarding BM - it became my specialist subject during Lockdown.

The only other thing that crossed my mind at Blea Moor was whether the Timber/VQ siding could be accessed from the north; for some reason I had it in my head that a working from Carlisle ran to it at some point, but looking at the diagram there's nothing to allow it.

Quote:

No annunciator as far as I know either, but there's about 400 yards between SJ7 and SJ8 - might that be sufficient?

Unlike the branch distant at Hellifield, the one from Carnforth is worked, so the intention seems to be there to give a clear run to a train off the branch. I spent a couple of hours photographing from the bridge at Settle Jn last summer, and as I recall the signals were pulled off a few minutes before the train off the branch passed. The area was relatively busy around that time, so I just can't imagine they were cleared on blind faith.

jc92 in post 137901 said:

The sectional appendix shows a 15mph limit over Settle Junction from Carnforth, I wonder if the distant isn't worked in practice during busy periods (assuming no annunciator, and I agree it seems likely there is one) as a clear distant is of limited value when the train has be slowed right down anyway.

Looks like the distant is actually colour light ( https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0535081,-2.2904057,3a,62.1y,172.14h,86.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5uMjCx4RrFmzoXO0QtdHuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 ) so presumably it can show both caution and clear aspects

Steamer in post 137899 said:

peterb in post 137890 said:

Steamer in post 137885 said:

peterb in post 137880 said:

Steamer in post 137868 said:

My take on the S&C:

Blea Moor's UGL starter is BM19.

Cheers, the photos of that box weren't as clear as some of the others.

Does anyone know if Settle Jn has an annunciator on the Carnforth line? It's not marked on the box diagram as far as I can tell, but equally I can't imagine they just pull off and pray given the length of the section.

Do shout if you want any more info regarding BM - it became my specialist subject during Lockdown.

The only other thing that crossed my mind at Blea Moor was whether the Timber/VQ siding could be accessed from the north; for some reason I had it in my head that a working from Carlisle ran to it at some point, but looking at the diagram there's nothing to allow it.

Quote:

No annunciator as far as I know either, but there's about 400 yards between SJ7 and SJ8 - might that be sufficient?

Unlike the branch distant at Hellifield, the one from Carnforth is worked, so the intention seems to be there to give a clear run to a train off the branch. I spent a couple of hours photographing from the bridge at Settle Jn last summer, and as I recall the signals were pulled off a few minutes before the train off the branch passed. The area was relatively busy around that time, so I just can't imagine they were cleared on blind faith.

I can't think off-hand where I've seen it, but it's not unknown for SBSIs to mandate offering forward and/or clearing signals x minutes after TES received from the rear box.

A quick Stranraer Sim (Paisley Fringe To Stranraer Hbr)

Electric Train Tablet here (ETT)
Plus a complex and weird arrangement at Dunragit where the line joins the original Port Road From Carlisle
As when Stranraer is switched "out" then a key token is locked into the frame at Dunragit, which in turn allows the OTS to be removed
so done my best to replicate that in this mock, apart from a "king" lever at Stranraer as not sure how that'd work in SimSig.

Also clueless on the Track Circuit arrangement at Stranraer Harbour as due to the box not having been open regularly since 2007 and even little-used before then means there isn't an illuminated diagram nor are there any clear shots of the diagram.

lovely line though!

A SimSig would simply have a 'generic green round' control and when clicked (with the right conditions to Dunragit and points set appropriately) would clear both signals.
That would then put Dunragit in 'OTW' mode.

Assume you'd worked from this diagram ?
https://signalbox.org/~SBdiagrams/stranraerhbr.jpg

As TC allow a remote signaller to 'see' train positions, it would not be unreasonable to allow a local signaller to 'see' any trains that would be visible out of the windows - ie TC for all the station area.